Tag: Ellen White

Adventist dishonesty in the way they present the Catholic faith

Recently (the week or so prior to Easter 2004) someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist and alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic posted several messages about Adventism, claiming it was a cult, and listing some of its doctrines. Several Adventists responded with shock, aghast at the way someone could misrepresent their faith in this way.

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Adventist Review’s indirect admission of Ellen White’s errors

I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White’s book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh’s Branch Davidians are in ours. Were they heretics or martyrs? Could they be both?

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Adventist anti-Catholic hatred is alive and well

From time to time I get some vicious remarks from Adventists who don’t want to discuss the Bible, but feel they should take the opportunity to insult those of us who do take it seriously. Here are a few of the best, along with some statements that, without being nasty, demonstrate the real nature of Adventist anti-Catholicism.

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Why a bishop may not drink grape juice

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The Seventh-day Adventist church teaches that the wine referred to in the Bible as permissible is unfermented grape juice. They claim that the Bible condemns the use of fermented grape juice, and only permits the use of unfermented grape juice. Many Adventists – pastors and laity alike – have questioned this, and gone to the Bible and discovered that this teaching is not found there. Instead, the Bible permits drinking of alcoholic beverages in moderation. But many Adventists, as well as other groups such as certain Baptists, continue this teaching.

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Adventist pastor gives an example of uninspired statements by Paul in the Bible

In my recent discussion with Pastor O, it came up that he teaches that some of Paul’s writings are uninspired opinions only – not all of what Paul wrote in the New Testament was the inspired word of God. The pastor did this because he needs to bring the Bible down to the level of his church’s founder and prophetess Ellen White, who contradicts the Bible and prophesies falsely on many, many occasions.

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Adventist pastor – Bible contains truth, but also “opinion”

Recently I had a discussion with a certain Pastor O of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Copied in below is a section of one e-mail he sent me 29 August 2001. In it he states that some of what Paul wrote is not really inspired, it is merely “opinion.”

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An example of how facts can be twisted to bear false witness

Please read all of this till the end … then you’ll understand what I am trying to say. … By giving them a list of damning quotes from well-known Adventist founders and elders from the past, they will see that merely quoting unofficial texts does not prove anything, because they know well that Adventism does not officially teach these things (although many do consider Ellen White to be inspired, and Arianism is certainly on the increase within Adventism.)

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Albigensians, Waldensians, and Ellen White

If Jesus preserved his Church at all times, and did in fact remain with it at all times as he promised, then the inescapable conclusion is that the Catholic Church of the first, second, third, and later centuries is the Church to which he made these promises. Such a conclusion is unacceptable to the carnal mind, and so several Christians who choose not to accept the biblical authority of the Church have tried to find a way around this. They usually turn to the Albigensians, Waldenses, and other heretical sects to try to find a “true church” outside of Catholicism, but always in existence. If they can’t find such a church, they must either accept Catholicism, or consider Jesus to be a liar.

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Seventh-day Adventists and 666

So Ellen Gould White, the prophetess of Seventh Day Adventism, has a name that adds up to 666, and it is the number of a name and not of a title.

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Following the False Prophet

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Ellen Gould White is a prime candidate. She made many false prophecies which did not come true, and she persisted, as have some of her followers, to confirm what she had said. Many of her writings have been ‘edited’ by others at a later date so some of the later writings may not agree with the earlier versions word for word.

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