Dr Frank Steyn, round 1
Here is another example of how rude and angry Adventists can get when they are faced with what I have on my website. I have posted 3 e-mails here, from a Dr Frank Steyn. Note that all he was willing to do was insult. No response with reasoned arguments from the Bible or other sources. At present he has started debating, but does not stick to one topic or discuss one concept in full, and after each reply I send, he changes to a new topic. Topic hopping and verse hopping are common among Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses and others whose doctrines are not firmly based on the Bible.
It’s sad.
An updated review of the situation can be seen here, where Dr Steyn, SDA pastor and lecturer in sociology, further goes out of his way to attack the Catholic Church.
Click here to view Dr Steyn’s essay and my comments on it.
Your website on SDA’s is the worst bit of authorship and scholarship we have ever seen.
You write absolute rubbish that is not even worthy of comment
The Catholics do not believe in the Bible and the Bible only
SDA’s love Jesus as their only Saviour and believe that works can not save.
You seem to be very prejudiced
Please remember that the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is also a sect
Nowhere is Peter called a pope in the Bible – James was the first church leader,
Hope you get over your frustrations and loneliness and personal problems
My reply (me in blue, him in black):
Hi!
Your website on SDA’s is the worst bit of authorship and scholarship we have ever seen.
You write absolute rubbish that is not even worthy of comment
Well, then I guess you can prove me wrong, if you say that. But I guess you won’t prove me wrong. Because in actual fact, what I say IS true.
The Catholics do not believe in the Bible and the Bible only
Nor does the Bible teach that we should. In fact, the idea that we should “believe in the Bible and the Bible only” is contrary to the Bible’s own teaching.
SDA’s love Jesus as their only Saviour and believe that works can not save.
Catholics teach that too. If only you could be objective about this matter.
You seem to be very prejudiced
No, not really. I am just sick of Adventist dishonesty when it comes to the Bible and Catholic teaching. The more Adventists lie about us, the better able we are to show Adventism to be misled and unscriptural.
Please remember that the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is also a sect
Nowhere is Peter called a pope in the Bible – James was the first church leader,
The Catholic Church is THE Church founded by Jesus Christ. Adventism cannot claim that. In its attempts to make Catholicism look bad and defend its existence, Adventism has had to do away with a lot of the Bible, and its own version of the Bible even reverses many texts.
As for James being the first leader, there is not one scrap of biblical evidence to support that myth. Jesus chose Peter to lead the Apostles – there are plenty of texts to show that. And just compare the prominence of Peter in the New Testament to that of James – James doesn’t even come close. Peter is named far more often that all the other Apostles COMBINED, he is always named first unless there is good contextual reason. I think you’d find it very hard to defend your faith if you actually tried to. But I guess that won’t happen … very few Adventists are biblically literate enough to make a case for their beliefs from the Bible. Maybe you are different, but the tone of your e-mail to be is not Christian, it is based on anger, and anger is often based on fear – in this case, fear of the truth. If you could prove me wrong, it would be your Christian obligation to prove me wrong instead of sending bitchy e-mails like this. I guess time will tell whether or not you are sincere, or merely offended by the truth.
Hope you get over your frustrations and loneliness and personal problems
And, from my side, I hope that you get over your hatred for other churches, and your dislike of the truth about your own church, and that you some day sit down with the Bible and read it without the bias Adventism has instilled in you.
God bless,
Stephen
His reply:
Thanks for your hate letter
Same as your hate website
His most recent remarks:
7 Feb 2003:
are you afraid to identify yourself or your church on your website?
You seem to be a sad and bitter person
Accept Jesus as you only Savior and the Bible as your only creed
This is what I and my church (SDA) believe
8 Feb 2003:
You are talking about early Catholic writers – remember that the early Christian church for the first 400 years kept Saturday, the Lord’s day, the Seventh day as the Sabbath (read Bacchiocchi wo (sic) did his doctoral research in the Vatican University and was given a medal by the Catholic pope)) . A pagan emperor (not a Catholic) changed it to Sunday the day of sun worship, just read what Constantine says!!! THIS IS NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE – in fact the Catholic Church says:
[ the usual propaganda snipped ]
My comments:
He has clearly not read my website enough to see that I give my name and religious affiliation there, and he thinks he can make such remarks? He also makes the long-outdated claim that Constantine changed the day of worship – he refers me to Bacchiocchi’s book, but if he had read it himself, he would not be claiming Constantine changed the day. Then he goes on to quote the usual propaganda instead of looking at authentic and official Catholic teaching. It is sad that the truth does not serve his purpose, but unfortunately he does not change his goal, and simply ignores truth and resorts to myth and legend.
Further discussion with this person
