{"id":5716,"date":"2018-08-10T18:17:34","date_gmt":"2018-08-10T16:17:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=5716"},"modified":"2020-04-19T08:00:28","modified_gmt":"2020-04-19T06:00:28","slug":"dishonesty-in-seventh-day-adventism-part-2-catholicism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=5716","title":{"rendered":"Dishonesty in Seventh-day Adventism, Part 2 – Catholicism"},"content":{"rendered":"
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In Part 1 we looked at a striking and honest Adventist acknowledgement<\/a> of the type of dishonesty that forms part of Adventist culture.<\/p>\n

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Adventist dishonesty according to Adventist Today<\/p><\/div>\n

Here we’ll look at specific common examples of how dishonest Adventists spread fake facts and fake history.<\/p>\n

I think half the problem with Adventist dishonesty is this: they believe without questioning the absolutely infallible teachings of Ellen White passed down through their pastors and teachers. Their world-view is so narrow, and it has been entrenched in them so deeply that many are incapable of dealing with the possibility that things could be different. So when confronted with facts indicating that diverge from their world of possibilities, they close off and go into denial. And because those facts are about something they have been taught to hate and despise, they often react with venom.<\/p>\n

In other words, if they’re told that Catholics don’t worship Mary, or that Catholics read the Bible and are not slaves to every word of every cleric or pope, it’s the same to them as being told that the moon doesn’t exist and is painted onto the sky. It’s an absolute impossibility in their minds that what they’ve been taught could possibly be wrong.<\/em> To consider such a thing would undermine a world-view built on anti-Catholic misunderstandings, and that is something more central to their faith than most other things, and more so for Adventists than the average anti-Catholic because the reliability of their prophetess, and their entire faith, would fall without it.<\/p>\n

You can read more about my analysis of their dishonesty here – Shame on you \u2013 Adventists, dishonesty, and the Catholic Church<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Common Adventist claims that are dishonest and misrepresentations of Catholicism and other Christian churches<\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n

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The papacy claims to have changed the sabbath to Sunday<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Dishonest Adventists provide all sorts of quotes from all sorts of newspapers and clergy. The reality is that none<\/strong><\/span> of these are from official<\/strong><\/span> Catholic sources.<\/p>\n

They quote newspapers<\/strong><\/span>. That’s like quoting a blog. There isn’t a blog on the planet that is an official voice of the Vatican and papacy. There are blogs that quote official Catholic sources, like this blog, and there are blogs that write absolute drivel, like the Adventist ones. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that newspaper quotes are not official doctrinal decrees.<\/p>\n

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Donkey, Boston Public Library<\/p><\/div>\n

Examples:<\/span><\/strong>
\nCatholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900
\nNJ ‘News’, March 18, 1903
\nOur Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950
\nCatholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923<\/p>\n

They quote some sort of “catechism<\/strong><\/span>” from the early 1900s. Then they pretend it’s the official Catechism of the Catholic Church. They never quote an official universal Catechism such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church or the Catechism of the Council of Trent. To do so would destroy their argument. Also worth noting is that most of these are old texts written during a time where somewhat arrogant apologetics was common, and some Catholics would often phrase arguments in such a way as to emphasise the biblical authority of the Church seen in Acts 15 and ongoing today. One needs to read into these the official Catholic beliefs that a) the Apostles were the first Catholic leaders, and b) that the Apostles began Sunday observance. Disagree if you like, but to refuse to acknowledge that those are official Catholic teaching is dishonest<\/strong><\/span>.<\/p>\n

Examples:<\/span><\/strong>
\nConvert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946)
\nCatholic Christian Instructed, Rt Rev. Dr. Challoner
\nAn Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, Rev. Henry Tuberville, D.D. (R.C.), (1833)
\nA Doctrinal Catechism, Rev. Stephen Keenan, (1851)<\/p>\n

Even if these have a Nihil Obstat or Imprimatur, they are not ipso facto official Catholic doctrinal statements from the Catholic Church. They are just books that got the approval of a local bishop, who understood them very differently to dishonest Adventist misquoters.<\/p>\n

They quote parish bulletins<\/strong><\/span>. Is the local Adventist congregation’s monthly newsletter the official mouthpiece of the General Conference? No. So, likewise, parish bulletins are not the official mouthpiece of the Vatican.<\/p>\n

Examples:<\/strong><\/span>
\nDaily Catholic web site page for SUNDAY, volume 11, no. 278, December 31, 2000
\nSt Sylvester’s Parish: Who was St Sylvester?<\/p>\n

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Pope John Paul II<\/p><\/div>\n

There are two REAL Catholic statements that ARE official statements of the Catholic Church. BOTH of these prove that the Catholic Church believes that the Apostles began Sunday observance. These are:<\/p>\n