{"id":516,"date":"2003-11-27T20:38:53","date_gmt":"2003-11-27T18:38:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=516"},"modified":"2019-05-25T08:21:59","modified_gmt":"2019-05-25T06:21:59","slug":"adventist-reviews-indirect-admission-of-ellen-whites-errors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=516","title":{"rendered":"Adventist Review&#8217;s indirect admission of Ellen White&#8217;s errors"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_button\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/DiscussingAdventismBook\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/plugins\/facebook-button-plugin\/images\/standard-facebook-ico.png\" alt=\"Fb-Button\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=516\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"400px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=516\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div><p>Many religious groups that have arisen in the last few centuries have faced the problem of their origins in an interesting way.\u00a0 Faced with the fact that the early Christians were not Adventist, Jehovah&#8217;s Witness, Mormon, or Armstrongite in either their theology or their practices, these groups had to reject these early Christians as a group who were deceived, precursors to the Catholic Church they view as apostate.\u00a0 Those they reject as apostates often include St Polycarp and St Ignatius of Antioch, both disciples of the Apostle John.<\/p>\n<p>Because of this, they had to find another group, or groups, of people to call &#8220;true Christians&#8221; if they were to continue teaching that the true faith existed without dying out.\u00a0 Some of these modern religious movements did, however, claim that the true Gospel and true Church DID cease to exist, contrary to the promises of Christ himself in Matt 16:18 and 28:20.<\/p>\n<p>The Seventh-day Adventist church was among these groups claiming spiritual allegiance with peculiar sects of the past, with their prophet making pronouncements on this matter as follows:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1546\" style=\"width: 191px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1546\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1546\" alt=\"James and Ellen White\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/James-and-Ellen-White-191x300.jpg\" width=\"191\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/James-and-Ellen-White-191x300.jpg 191w, http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/James-and-Ellen-White.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 191px) 100vw, 191px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1546\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">James and Ellen White<\/p><\/div>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #006600;\">The gospel had been planted in Bohemia as early as the ninth century. The Bible was translated, and public worship was conducted, in the language of the people. &#8230; Heaven had provided other agencies for the preservation of the church. Many of the <\/span><span style=\"color: #990000;\">Waldenses<\/span><span style=\"color: #006600;\"> and <\/span><span style=\"color: #990000;\">Albigenses<\/span><span style=\"color: #006600;\">, driven by persecution from their homes in France and Italy, came to Bohemia. Though they dared not teach openly, they labored zealously in secret. Thus the true faith was preserved from century to century.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/em><span style=\"color: #006600;\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8212; Ellen White, Great Controversy, Chapter 6, paragraph 1, p97.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #006600;\">Century after century the blood of the saints had been shed. While the <\/span><span style=\"color: #990000;\">Waldenses<\/span><span style=\"color: #006600;\"> laid down their lives upon the mountains of Piedmont &#8220;for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ,&#8221; similar witness to the truth had been borne by their brethren, the <\/span><span style=\"color: #990000;\">Albigenses<\/span><span style=\"color: #006600;\"> of France.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/em><span style=\"color: #006600;\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8212; Ellen White, Great Controversy, Ch 15, p271.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Recently, the Adventist Review came out with a statement that is an indirect contradiction of those words, words which many Adventists believe to be inspired.\u00a0 In an article by Ed Christian entitled &#8220;One Person&#8217;s Heretic Is the Next Person&#8217;s Martyr,&#8221; there is a plain admission as to the beliefs and practices of the Albigensians.\u00a0 He says:<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #008080;\">I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White&#8217;s book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh&#8217;s Branch Davidians are in ours. Were they heretics or martyrs? Could they be both?<br \/>\n<\/span><\/em><span style=\"color: #008080;\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8212; <a title=\"One Person&#039;s Heretic Is the Next Person&#039;s Martyr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.adventistreview.org\/archives\/2003-1547\/story4.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Adventist Review, Nov 20, 2003<\/a><\/span> &#8230; [<a title=\"One Person&#039;s Heretic Is the Next Person&#039;s Martyr\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090205185215\/http:\/\/adventistreview.org:80\/2003-1547\/story4.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Internet Archive here<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>It must be somewhat embarrassing to have a prophet who claims that people with such beliefs were the true Christians preserving the true faith.\u00a0 What does that say about her theology?\u00a0 And her status as prophet?<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that the author also states that James White (their prophet&#8217;s husband) and Uriah Smith, early Adventist leaders,\u00a0taught a similar doctrine about the nature of Christ to that of the ancient Arians and the modern Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses.\u00a0 In their interpretation of Daniel 7, they claim that the papacy uprooted three groups of Arians.\u00a0 Notwithstanding the fact that <a title=\"Did the papacy really uproot the 3 horns of Daniel 7:8,24 ?\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=418\">the historical facts simply don&#8217;t fit their interpretation of Daniel 7<\/a>, it&#8217;s interesting that their subtle identification with groups whose doctrine\u00a0denied the divinity of Christ is made considerably less subtle by the acceptance of that doctrine by the early Adventists.<\/p>\n<p>The author makes a profound statement near\u00a0the end of his article: &#8220;<span style=\"color: #008080;\">Is anyone who disagrees with church beliefs a heretic, or should we reserve that title for those who deny God and scoff at godliness?<\/span>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>For more information on these peculiar groups and the unhistorical claims made about them, see Dave Armstrong&#8217;s articles on his website, Biblical Evidence for Catholicism:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"Were the Waldenses primitive \u201cProtestants\u201d?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/were-the-waldenses-a-species-of-primitive-protestants.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Were the Waldenses primitive &#8220;Protestants&#8221;?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Were the Albigensians primitive &quot;Protestants&quot;?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/were-the-albigensians-primitive-or-proto-protestants.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Were the Albigensians primitive &#8220;Protestants&#8221;?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White&#8217;s book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh&#8217;s Branch Davidians are in ours. Were they heretics or martyrs? 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