{"id":3359,"date":"2015-06-13T08:09:31","date_gmt":"2015-06-13T06:09:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=3359"},"modified":"2019-04-27T11:37:13","modified_gmt":"2019-04-27T09:37:13","slug":"ellen-white-and-st-ambrose","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=3359","title":{"rendered":"Ellen White and St Ambrose"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_button\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/DiscussingAdventismBook\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/plugins\/facebook-button-plugin\/images\/standard-facebook-ico.png\" alt=\"Fb-Button\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=3359\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"400px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=3359\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div><p>Ellen White has a history of making up history. She also has a history of taking completely non-Adventist groups like the <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=499\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Albigensians and Waldensians<\/a> and claiming they were proto-Adventists. (The Waldensians were far too Catholic to come close to being Adventist, and the Albigensians were gnostics who shunned marriage and believed in a set of two Gods &#8211; the evil God of the Old Testament and the good God of the New Testament.)<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_3358\" style=\"width: 156px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?attachment_id=3358\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3358\" class=\"wp-image-3358 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/St-Ambrose-of-Milan-156x300.jpg\" alt=\"St Ambrose of Milan\" width=\"156\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/St-Ambrose-of-Milan-156x300.jpg 156w, http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/St-Ambrose-of-Milan.jpg 312w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 156px) 100vw, 156px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-3358\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Late antique mosaic of Saint Ambrose in the church St. Ambrogio in Milan. This might be an actual portrait, made while Ambrose was living.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Here is an extract of <a href=\"http:\/\/thisholysword.blogspot.com\/2014\/09\/ellen-g-white-on-pope-and-sabbath.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">an excellent article<\/a> posted on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/CatholicDiscussionOfAdventism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">our Facebook group<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Quoting Ellen White:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #993300;\">For a number of years Milan was the capital of the kingdom of Italy, and since the fourth century it has surpassed Rome in extent, and in many respects in importance also. Here was the head of the church founded by St. Ambrose, whose diocese maintained its independence of the popes until the middle of the eleventh century. &#8230; their faith was essentially Protestant, and in strong opposition to the Roman creed.<\/span><br \/>\n&#8211; Ellen White, The Review and Herald, June 1, 1886, <a href=\"https:\/\/text.egwwritings.org\/publication.php?pubtype=Periodical&amp;bookCode=RH&amp;lang=en&amp;collection=2&amp;section=all&amp;QUERY=pope&amp;resultId=1&amp;year=1851&amp;month=July&amp;day=21\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Visit to the Vaudois Valleys<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Rubbish. Anyone who has read up on <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ambrose\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">St Ambrose of Milan<\/a> knows otherwise.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #000080;\">Your grace must be besought not to permit any disturbance of the Roman Church, the head of the whole Roman World and of the most holy faith of the Apostles, for from thence flow out to all the bonds of sacred communion.<\/span><br \/>\n&#8211; St Ambrose, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tertullian.org\/fathers\/ambrose_letters_02_letters11_20.htm#Letter11\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">To Emperor Gratian<\/a>, Epistle 11:4<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a lot more to read &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/thisholysword.blogspot.com\/2014\/09\/ellen-g-white-on-pope-and-sabbath.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">head over to the full article at the Golden Sword Apologetics blog here<\/a> (which has two YouTube videos as well).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ellen White has a history of making up history. She also has a history of taking completely non-Adventist groups like the Albigensians and Waldensians and claiming they were proto-Adventists. (The Waldensians were far too Catholic to come close to being Adventist, and the Albigensians were gnostics who shunned marriage and believed in a set of two Gods &#8211; the evil God of the Old Testament and the good God of the New Testament.)<\/p><p><a class=\"more-link btn\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=3359\">Continue reading<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3358,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"Ellen White and St Ambrose #egw #ellenwhite #stambrose #adventist #catholics #happysabbath","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[8,12],"tags":[116,11,296,736,115],"class_list":["post-3359","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-adventism","category-catholic","tag-albigensians","tag-ellen-white","tag-revisionist-history","tag-st-ambrose-of-milan","tag-waldensians","item-wrap"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3fpVQ-Sb","jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/St-Ambrose-of-Milan.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3359","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3359"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3359\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9230,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3359\/revisions\/9230"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/3358"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3359"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3359"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3359"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}