{"id":1784,"date":"2006-01-18T20:27:03","date_gmt":"2006-01-18T18:27:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1784"},"modified":"2017-10-20T17:20:55","modified_gmt":"2017-10-20T15:20:55","slug":"a-fundamentalist-baptist-church-and-sermonaudio","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1784","title":{"rendered":"A [Fundamentalist] Baptist Church and SermonAudio"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_button\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/DiscussingAdventismBook\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/plugins\/facebook-button-plugin\/images\/standard-facebook-ico.png\" alt=\"Fb-Button\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1784\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"400px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1784\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div><p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Note: Due to an apology from the Baptist pastor, he and his church have been anonymised. 20 Oct 2017.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>If you want an example of a church that teaches hate instead of love, a church that doesn&#8217;t follow the commands and example of Christ, and a church that is an embarrassment to Christianity, it is the [fundamentalist] Baptist Church.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1785\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/angry-44591_640-300x247.png\" alt=\"Angry ant\" width=\"240\" height=\"198\" srcset=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/angry-44591_640-300x247.png 300w, http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/angry-44591_640.png 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 240px) 100vw, 240px\" \/>They recently published a sermon online at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sermonaudio.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SermonAudio.com<\/a>, a Protestant website for sermons.\u00a0 It was really nothing more than a smear campaign to misrepresent the Catholic Church.\u00a0 The\u00a0sermon, entitled &#8220;The Second Coming of Judas Iscariot,&#8221; [no longer available on the site]\u00a0takes the thoughts of a few people regarding Judas Iscariot, and uses them to malign the Catholic Church in a way that no objective person could call honest.<\/p>\n<p>Firstly, those thoughts do not represent Catholic teaching.\u00a0 Catholics come up with all sorts of ideas &#8211; and on a large number of topics, there is no official answer, and there is no reason why people cannot speculate.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, if God is a God of love, it is perfectly reasonable to speculate about the eternal fate of Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not something I am prepared to come to a personal answer to either way, but those who do want to contemplate this issue are entitled to.<\/p>\n<p>Not so, says\u00a0Pastor X, of the [fundamentalist] Baptist Church.\u00a0 If you don&#8217;t phrase things right, you&#8217;re a devil, and damned to hell.<\/p>\n<p>Judas, according to Pastor X, is a devil, and the antichrist, and is assigned to the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his angels.\u00a0 (Mat 25:41 KJV)\u00a0\u00a0<span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And anyone who doesn&#8217;t state their belief in the exact words chosen by Pastor X, is also an antichrist.\u00a0 That is why\u00a0he called me a devil.<\/p>\n<p>I agreed\u00a0with 1 John 4:2 by saying: &#8220;<em>Yes, I believe that Jesus is God in the flesh<\/em>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>1 John 4:2 (KJV) says:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Perhaps Pastor X and his flock\u00a0are KJV-onlyists, a group of Protestants, mainly Baptists, it seems, who believe that the King James Version of the Bible is the single inspired English text of the Bible.\u00a0 They do not use other versions, and some even go so far as to say that you cannot find salvation in other translations.\u00a0 You don&#8217;t find non-English speaking Christians believing such nonsense.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, my wording was not good enough for him.\u00a0 It was not the word of God, it was the word of a papist, and it doesn&#8217;t matter that it means exactly the same thing as the wording of the KJV, it just doesn&#8217;t cut it, and that makes me a devil, according to him.\u00a0 See his post entitled, &#8220;Stephen Korsman is a DEVIL!!!!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The way the\u00a0pastor\u00a0responded to my criticism is not Christian.\u00a0 He defends it, saying that Jesus commanded us to hate.\u00a0 He seriously needs to take a look at what the Bible teaches.<\/p>\n<p>This type of Christianity is based on legalism.\u00a0 Not the legalism you find in parts of the Adventist church, where some people say that if you don&#8217;t keep the Sabbath, you can&#8217;t be saved.\u00a0 Rather, this legalism is the type that says that if you don&#8217;t agree with me, if you don&#8217;t phrase the words the way I say you must phrase them, you are a devil.\u00a0 They spend their time condemning people to hell for using incorrect words, and for disagreeing on minor issues.\u00a0 They don&#8217;t permit freedom of expression of one&#8217;s faith &#8211; the Pastor is God&#8217;s Messenger, and you do as He says, or else!<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sermonaudio.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SermonAudio.com<\/a>\u00a0is host to a large number of this type of Christian.<\/p>\n<p>People accuse Catholicism of not allowing freedom of thought &#8211; they are so, so wrong.\u00a0 There are so many different ways a Catholic can experience or practise his\/her faith, so many opinions that can be held on a huge number of issues.\u00a0 NO denomination exists that has total freedom of doctrinal belief.\u00a0 ALL denominations require assent to certain issues.\u00a0 You can&#8217;t claim to be a real Baptist without believing Jesus is God.\u00a0 You can&#8217;t claim to be a real Adventist without believing that Jesus died and rose again for our sins.\u00a0 This is not the same way groups like [fundamentalist] Baptist Church act.<\/p>\n<p>The [fundamentalist] Baptist Church\u00a0is not a church &#8211; it&#8217;s a tyranny, where hate is preached, other faiths have lies told about them, and the flock is told how to say their prayers.\u00a0 With people who phrase things the wrong way being labelled as devils, the congregation probably doesn&#8217;t question the decisions of Pastor X, their shepherd.\u00a0 This is more cult-like than a lot of religions often labelled as cults.<\/p>\n<p>I must stress the following:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pastor X&#8217;s church\u00a0is NOT representative of Christianity.\u00a0 In fact, this type of church is very much in the minority.\u00a0 Unfortunately, their hatred of anything different to them leads them to be more vocal than most.\u00a0 And, equally unfortunately, all denominations have this type.<\/li>\n<li>This is\u00a0<em>NOT<\/em>\u00a0how Christians behave.\u00a0 Please don&#8217;t think it is.\u00a0 We are not pharisees who command the precise use of words, and allow no synonyms.<\/li>\n<li>This is\u00a0<em>NOT<\/em>\u00a0what Christians think of others.\u00a0 We don&#8217;t go around labelling people as devils.\u00a0 We do not sit in judgement over others in this way.<\/li>\n<li>The fact that\u00a0this pastor&#8217;s main page\u00a0on\u00a0SermonAudio.com\u00a0promotes Jack Chick&#8217;s website and tracts shows that this is not a church for people who want objective biblical truth.\u00a0 Jack Chick is not well respected within Christianity &#8211; he is seen as a nut who preaches hate, and while most Protestants pay little attention to his nonsense, there are some, like Christianity Today, who acknowledge that his antics are an embarrassment to the Christian faith.\u00a0 Do some research on Jack Chick &#8211; this is NOT Christianity.\u00a0 It resembles Christianity in that it shares a few doctrines.\u00a0 But it does not share Jesus&#8217; message of love.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>One response I&#8217;ve had so far was: &#8220;<em><span style=\"color: #336666;\">Not surprising coming from a Baptist though.<\/span><\/em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em><span style=\"color: #336666;\">I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll be able to get much sense out of them.<\/span><\/em>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I must admit that\u00a0<em>MOST<\/em>\u00a0Baptists are not like this.\u00a0 There are, however,\u00a0many that are &#8211; they form a unique brand of Christianity that cannot treat others fairly, and sit in judgement of all those who they believe to be inferior to them.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s a fair assessment &#8211; these people are like this.\u00a0 Again, this is\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0Christianity &#8211; it is a disgrace to Christianity, a wart on the nose of the Body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>Here are the posts:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><em>Title:\u00a0Hear what Stephen Korsman from South Africa said about the antichrist!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Stephen Korsman from South Africa said: &#8220;Sad that the only real campaign here is a smear campaign.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">RE: No&#8230; what&#8217;s sad&#8230; is sympathy for the devil and his man of sin on the part of quote\/unquote Christians!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">[Pastor X] (Acts 20:32)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My response:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">God tells us to hate the sin and love the sinner. Maybe you guys think it&#8217;s the Christian way to misrepresent Catholicism and hate those you have declared evil, but this sort of thing just makes me feel grateful for a Church that teaches love instead of the hate I see here so much. True love leaves it open for God to redeem Judas. Self-righteous condemnation is a thing of the pharisees &#8230; and many here, it seems.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">His next post:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><em>Title:\u00a0Stephen Korsman thinks that the antichrist might be saved!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Sir&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Jesus Christ said that Judas was a devil. The Bible says nowhere that Jesus Christ died for devils. In fact, God prepared a special place for the devil and his angels (and by the way, it&#8217;s not heaven). Also&#8230; please give me the scripture that tells us to hate the sin, but love the sinner. Or is that more of your opinion and tradition?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">By the way&#8230; and this is important: Can you confess that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">If so&#8230; your response will be: I confess that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh. If not&#8230; we&#8217;ll talk then.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">By the way&#8230; the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ hates. If you do not hate&#8230; you might be following your church, but you are not following Jesus Christ. And might I add: Your church will not save you!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">[Pastor X] (Acts 20:32)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">My response:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">If Judas was a devil, he was not human. Either that, or Jesus used appropriate metaphors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">Yes, I believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, but I&#8217;d rather believe the Bible than the hatred I am seeing here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">As for a specific verse for loving the sinner, Romans 5:8 is the closest, along with Matt 5:43-44.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">But you can&#8217;t show me where in the Bible it says that I have to show you a verse for everything true.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">My original statement stands. I&#8217;d rather love my neighbour than engage in this sort of fellowship of hate and self-righteousness that I see here so often. Reply if you like; I have seen enough, and while I am glad to have had this conversation, I find it nauseating to see this sort of attitude portrayed as Christian and biblical.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>His third post:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><em>Title:\u00a0Stephen Korsman is a DEVIL!!!!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Sir&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">You blew the confession as found in (I John 4)&#8230; from which I gave you the exact words.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Therefore&#8230; according to the Bible: You are a devil; the Lord rebuke thee!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">[Pastor X] (Acts 20:32)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh!<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My response:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><span style=\"color: #6600cc;\">I didn&#8217;t blow the confession. I used a synonymous phrase. I humbly apologise for not using your preferred words. If you can&#8217;t see that, all I can say is thanks for the witness you&#8217;ve given me of how Christians should not behave. I&#8217;ll certainly make plenty of use of it. I think people need to know that your attitude does not represent Christianity, so I&#8217;ll be blogging on it all soon. Don&#8217;t expect more from me &#8211; I&#8217;m not in the mood for this sort of hate speech. Thanks, and God bless.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And his fourth post, after which I see no reason to respond any further:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\"><p><em>Title:\u00a0Stephen Korsman again proves that he is a DEVIL!!!!!!!!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">Sir&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">It is not my preferred words &#8211; it is the words of Almighty God! And again: According to the Bible: You are a devil; the Lord rebuke thee!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">[Pastor X] (Acts 20:32)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #996633;\">I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think that says it all.\u00a0 This disgrace is not Christianity, people.\u00a0 We don&#8217;t like this sort of bigotry either.\u00a0 This isn&#8217;t what Christianity is about.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Response from the Battlefield SermonAudio group\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1789\">Part 2 here<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"SermonAudio \u2013 no response\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1791\">Part 3 here<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pastor X&#8217;s church is NOT representative of Christianity.  In fact, this type of church is very much in the minority.  Unfortunately, their hatred of anything different to them leads them to be more vocal than most.  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