{"id":1034,"date":"2006-12-07T16:07:58","date_gmt":"2006-12-07T14:07:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1034"},"modified":"2020-03-16T06:35:01","modified_gmt":"2020-03-16T04:35:01","slug":"second-part-of-bacchiocchis-response","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.theotokos.co.za\/?p=1034","title":{"rendered":"Second part of Bacchiocchi’s response"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Bacchiocchi’s Response to False Allegations Pt 2<\/a> has been posted on-line by Bacchiocchi.\u00a0 [PDF, 5.2MB archived here<\/a>]<\/p>\n

The Gregorian University has disagreed with him over what his credentials truly are.\u00a0 This has come to be known as The Gregorian Controversy.<\/p>\n

My previous post in response to his first response can be found here – Bacchiocchi’s response to the Gregorian debate<\/a><\/p>\n

One has to wade through a lot of information, such as recommendations for his book, that really do nothing to prove his side of the story.\u00a0 If you cut it down to the necessary facts, does he really provide solid evidence?<\/p>\n

He provides a good case.\u00a0 But a lot of it remains unverified.\u00a0 His explanation of the process of publishing his thesis is convincing.\u00a0 Does anyone out there have a copy of the original abridged version?<\/p>\n

His explanation of the Imprimatur leaves me feeling uneasy.\u00a0 While the Imprimi Potest usually comes from the head of the order the writer belongs to, it may well come from the rector of the university.\u00a0 But it would say “Imprimi Potest.”\u00a0 Bacchiocchi’s Imprimi Potest doesn’t say Imprimi Potest.\u00a0 So what is it?<\/p>\n

He admits something quite fascinating about the Imprimatur:<\/p>\n

Regarding the imprimatur, I asked Prof. Monachino if the whole manuscript should be submitted to the Rector of the Gregoriana and the Vicariate of Rome for their approval\u2014imprimatur, as we did for the abridged version Anti-Judaism and the Origin of Sunday.\u00a0 He replied that it was not necessary, because both offices had already approved a major portion of the dissertation published two years earlier. The Gregorian University Press could readily use the same imprimatur\u2019s certificate which they already\u00a0 had\u00a0 in their possession.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Firstly, Prof Monachino was not in a position to decide what was and not appropriate regarding the Imprimatur.\u00a0 That was clearly an inappropriate decision.\u00a0 The protocols regarding the Imprimatur require a new one for every new edition, each new language a text is published in.\u00a0 It certainly does not apply to an expanded version of a text that contains new information and new assertions regarding the subject at hand.<\/p>\n

So I think it is quite clear – the Imprimatur on the current books printed by Bacchiocchi do not apply to the books it is printed in, and it never applied to his thesis as a whole.\u00a0 It is being used inappropriately, and he should stop.\u00a0 It is misleading.<\/p>\n

The comes the fact that the Imprimatur still is not what he claims it is – approval of the contents by the Catholic Church.\u00a0 The contents are not in agreement with the Catholic faith, and nobody ever thought they were.\u00a0 Bacchiocchi admits it was a lengthy and difficult process, involving a number of favours, to get it.\u00a0 So, assuming it ever existed, it is still not approval from the Catholic Church.\u00a0 As Bacchiocchi admits elsewhere in his part 2, Imprimatur means “It can be printed”.\u00a0 For my discussion of the subsections of the Imprimatur, of which Bacchiocchi obtained the least important in terms of approval of contents, see my previous post<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Bacchiocchi says:<\/p>\n

In some dissertations the same approval is given with the Latin word imprimatur, which simply means \u201cIt can be printed,” obviously because it has been approved.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Actually, if it had been approved, it would have stated so, with a Nihil Obstat.\u00a0 Bacchiocchi’s thesis lacks that.<\/p>\n

I also still want to know why “Gregorian University Press” is placed in a prominent position on his book, even so long after when they clearly no longer print it.\u00a0 I feel it is misleading.<\/p>\n

My next step is to repackage all this information in an official document that will be sent both to the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome and to Bishop Murray of Kalamazoo.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Finally.\u00a0 Apparently that is what Bishop Murray has been waiting for for 2 years now.\u00a0 It seems there was some confusion there, as Murray waited for Bacchiocchi to submit a written report, and Bacchiocchi waited for a personal interview with Murray.<\/p>\n

Taken from the website of the Diocese of Kalamazoo<\/a>, here are contact details for Bishop Murray’s people:<\/p>\n

Write letters to:
\nMost Reverend James A. Murray [he has since retired]
\nDiocese of Kalamazoo
\n215 N. Westnedge Avenue
\nKalamazoo, MI 49007-3760<\/p>\n

E-mail:
\nMost Reverend James A. Murray [retired]\u00a0 |\u00a0 Diocese of Kalamazoo<\/a><\/p>\n

Telephone:
\n+1 269 349 8714<\/p>\n

Contact them and encourage them to deal with this.<\/p>\n

The Gregorian University<\/a> can be contacted:<\/p>\n

By post:
\nThe Rector
\nPontifical Gregorian University
\nPiazza della Pilotta, 4
\n00187 Roma<\/p>\n

By e-mail:
\nSegreteria Generale<\/a><\/p>\n

By phone:
\nCentralino: Tel. +39 06 6701 5295
\nSegretario Generale: Tel. +39 06 6701 5117; Fax +39 06 6701 5419<\/p>\n

It’s time for them to respond.<\/p>\n

The Gregorian Controversy series is listed in full here<\/a>.\u00a0 Click here to go to the next post in the series<\/a>.\u00a0 And here for the previous post<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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Comments imported from the old blog:<\/p>\n

Posted by Jared Olar on December 8, 2006, 11:16 pm<\/span>
\nThanks for letting me know about this, Stephen. So far all I’ve written is this comment, but there will be more to come soon: <\/span>Link here<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

Posted by Jared Olar on December 22, 2006, 11:41 pm<\/span>
\nOkay, I’ve finally begun to comment in detail on Part Two of Dr. Bacchiocchi’s response: <\/span>Link here<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

Posted by stephen on December 23, 2006, 7:23 pm<\/span>
\nThanks … some good points. Bacchiocchi says his submission to Gregorian and Bishop Murray should be ready in about 10 days.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Bacchiocchi’s Response to False Allegations Pt 2 has been posted on-line by Bacchiocchi. One has to wade through a lot of information, such as recommendations for his book, that really do nothing to prove his side of the story. If you cut it down to the necessary facts, does he really provide solid evidence? He provides a good case. But a lot of it remains unverified. His explanation of the process of publishing his thesis is convincing. Does anyone out there have a copy of the original abridged version?<\/p>

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