Adventists like to present a fake papal title as evidence that the papacy is linked to the number 666 found in Revelation 13:18.
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Adventists like to present a fake papal title as evidence that the papacy is linked to the number 666 found in Revelation 13:18.
Col 2:16 is therefore best interpreted as: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an [annual] holyday, or of the new moon, or of the [weekly] sabbath days" ... thus following a time-line of annual, monthly, weekly.
Adventism's decision about the ordination of women is not really about the Bible - it's about being part of the world, and that is why Adventism will eventually fall - it's part of the world's need to reject divine authority and do as it pleases, the essence of Protestantism, the itching ear syndrome (2 Timothy 4:3).
When one group of Christians needs to lie about another group of Christians in order to look good and promote their cause, what does that say about them? The commandment not to lie is part of the same set of 10 that contains the commandment to keep the Sabbath. Yet some Sabbath keepers are more than willing to tell lies about the Catholic Church to promote their agenda.
Adventists, and others such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and those groups continuing Herbert Armstrong’s legacy, often claim that Easter is derived from a pagan festival. In fact, there are two important points to raise in response to them – a) whether or not Easter is pagan, and, for the Armstrong followers, b) which days of the week the Crucifixion and Resurrection were.
The late Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi was influenced by the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, and promoted the observance of Jewish holy days instead of Christian holy days. In his Endtime Issues #43 he rearranges the historical evidence to form a revised version of history to support his arguments. He beautifully provides us with a typical example of how historical evidence is misapplied.
A controversy arise, initiated by me, disputing his claims. The Gregorian University initially disputed all of the above. Later they were shown to be wrong on some important points, but several matters still remain unresolved, and unfortunately are perpetuated in Adventist / Sabbatarian circles, and in copies of his book.
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.
Dr Samuele Bacchiocch, one of the more prominent Adventist scholars today, whose work is followed by many Adventists and non-Adventists, is seriously ill. He has liver cancer, and has been admitted to hospital with internal bleeding.
I experienced the most recent Endtime Issues as the most extreme narrow-mindedness I have ever seen come out of Bacchiocchi's keyboard. I know he isn't saying that we must forget the life issues - he's not saying anything. But the message I get is the same - "Thou shalt not kill" is ignored, and "The Pope and Islam are your two worst nightmares" seems to be presented as the key issue in the coming election.
I applaud the Adventists, and others, who have seen the significance of Easter and Lent, and choose to celebrate Christ's resurrection as the early Christians did, and set time aside in their calendar for preparation for that celebration, along with the rest of their brothers and sisters in Christ, throughout the centuries.
On some issues, Bergami was wrong. On the rest, it seems that Bacchiocchi will let them go. In light of this, I apologise to Samuele Bacchiocchi for the trouble my inquiries have caused him. My questions were justified, and brought greater clarity as to the relationship between his thesis, his promotors, and the Catholic Church. But I never wished for someone to provide misleading information the way Barbara Bergami did. What her motivations were, and how well she investigated the matter, are not known. How…
On the XCG blog, Jared has compiled an extremely detailed analysis of Bacchiocchi's two responses to the Gregorian Controversy. What interests me the most is the Imprimi Potest. There is a detailed discussion of the Imprimatur/Imprimi Potest at XCG, comment 91. How did it turn into an Imprimatur?
If Gregorian has been telling the truth about the Bacchiocchi issue, then the outcome is clear - Bacchiocchi will be put in perspective, and Gregorian retains respect. On the other hand, if Gregorian has NOT been telling the truth ... what then?
Bacchiocchi says his submission to Gregorian and Bishop Murray will be ready in about 10 days.
Again from the SDA2RC blog, something the Worldwide Church of God splinter groups, Jehovah's Witnesses, and some Adventists, such as Bacchiocchi, need to consider - the evidence that Christmas was not derived from a pagan celebration.
Fr. Reginald Foster, one of the most renowned Latinists in the world, was fired last week from the Gregorian University by the Society of Jesus, stating that too many students were taking Fr. Foster’s classes without paying tuition. - from the Catholic News Agency
Bacchiocchi's Response to False Allegations Pt 2 has been posted on-line by Bacchiocchi. One has to wade through a lot of information, such as recommendations for his book, that really do nothing to prove his side of the story. If you cut it down to the necessary facts, does he really provide solid evidence? He provides a good case. But a lot of it remains unverified. His explanation of the process of publishing his thesis is convincing. Does anyone out there have a copy of…
Today Bacchiocchi published the first part of his response to their allegations in his Endtime Issues newsletter number 159, which can be found on his website. In the next, I hope to see his explanation of a) the imprimatur, b) the continued use of the imprimatur on an edition for which it was not obtained, c) the use of the name of Gregorian University Press on newer editions in a way that looks official, and d) evidence of the initial publication by them.
Samuele Bacchiocchi has said that he will be posting scanned images of his certificates on his website as part of a statement against the allegations made by Gregorian University regarding his credentials and claims about his PhD and his dissertation. We all hope to see that statement soon, but while we wait, here are a few scanned images he sent me a while back.
Which chapter of his full dissertation did Samuele Bacchiocchi publish for the purposes of obtaining his PhD? I.e. the Tesina, published in 1975. He claims that one chapter was published. He claims that three chapters were published. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 5. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 7. He claims that the published chapter was in fact three chapters - the first three chapters. He claims that the Tesina was 117 pages long. He claims that the Tesina…
Two other blogs have taken up the topic of Samuele Bacchiocchi's credentials and the allegations that they are not what he says they are. Gregorian University apparently denies that he got his PhD summa cum laude, that he received any medals, that his book was given an imprimatur, and that they printed it.
It looks like the controversy surrounding Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi's claims regarding his credentials and his thesis have once again sparked discussion. So, finally, after more than 2 years, Bacchiocchi is going to make a formal statement. It will certainly be interesting. Will he be able to provide verification for any claims he makes in his statement, any images he produces? Will the authenticity of any documentation he produces remain in question, or be resolved? Will Gregorian respond, or will they relegate him to the…
Richard Kissell's previous e-mail from about 2 years ago: Apparently he had the same attitude then as he has now.
As for snide remarks, Kissell and Bacchiocchi seem to have much in common. Not the same denomination, but birds of a feather.
Yes, he does, at times, "commend the pope for addressing the socio-political issues of our time in a responsible way" ... but he says that on such issues, Adventists and Catholics should not be united in their work towards that goal.
Some of the things Paul wrote are unacceptable, says Samuele Bacchiocchi.
The Adventist Review's response (by David Marshall) to The Da Vinci Code is critical of the book/movie, but still continues on to agree with it on matters that have long formed part of Adventist mythology.
Samuele Bacchiocchi's book "From Sabbath to Sunday" attempts to discredit the claims of Protestants and Catholics that Sunday observance is an Apostolic institution, and promotes the idea that it was a later Catholic development. In his latest newsletter, Bacchiocchi mentions that his alma mater, the Gregorian University, has negated several of his claims about his credentials.
Modern Adventism has corrected itself, and returned to the historical Christian faith taught by the early Christians. Many within Adventism today are objecting to this, and retain some of these anti-Trinitarian teachings ... one of the reasons they cite is that the Adventist church is accepting Catholic doctrines.
In his latest Endtime Issues newsletter, Samuele Bacchiocchi makes an error that has been corrected many times in the past. One shouldn't have to point out such facts to a scholar who claims to have researched issues like this, but then one must take his agenda into account.
Karl Keating's website, Catholic Answers, has a good article on relics and why they are not some sort of mystical nonsense invented by Catholics or adopted from pagans. Quite biblical in fact. This refers back to a recent post commenting on Bacchiocchi's latest newsletter.
Sadly, some Adventists do not celebrate Christmas. They associate it with Catholicism, and therefore consider it to be a corrupt expression of our Christian faith. ... I wish all Adventists and non-Adventists a very blessed Christmas this 25 December - the sending of Our Lord - as they celebrate the Incarnation.
On 23 October 2005, "161 years plus 1 day after the 22 Oct. 1844 great disappointment," the Cape Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist Church voted 56% in favour, and 44% against, a dissolution of their conference, and a merger with the Southern Hope Conference. The Cape Conference serves white Adventists in the Cape, South Africa, while the Southern Hope Conference serves black and coloured Adventists.
Since there is an misleading and ongoing thread in various forums about the Catholic Church saying that the Bible is not true, it is appropriate to point out that Adventism, like Catholicism, takes some verses literally, and others it does not take literally. There is no real difference between what each is saying; the difference lies in interpretation, not principle.
Michael Scheifler has a "rebuttal" on his website to something I wrote. He claims that the pope who changed the Sabbath to Sunday was Pope Sylvester I. In light of the teachings of Ellen White, and in light of history – as taught by real historians – this cannot be seen as more than a failed attempt to make the argument seem viable. But it is not viable.
Bacchiocchi: "It is noteworthy that Jehovah's Witnesses as well as the various churches stemming from Church of God Seventh Day (Worldwide Church of God, United Church of God, Church of God International, etc.), inherited the view of Christ as the first creature of God from our own Seventh-day Adventist Church. The reason is that they left our Adventist church prior to our acceptance of the doctrine of the TRINITY."
That is very much a Catholic principle (Catholic means universal) for which Catholicism has, at times, been criticised by patriotic American Protestants. It's good to see that Bacchiocchi, and Adventist leaders at the General Conference, have recognised the truth in the Catholic position.
Thank you, Dr Bacchiocchi, for that honesty. The Pope's tiara does not have the words Vicarius Filii Dei on them. The phrase is not, and never was, used as an official papal title. It's an anti-Catholic manipulation of a real papal title - Vicarius Christi. So Adventism's leaders are coming round to accepting the facts ... Bacchiocchi denies the Adventist tradition of Vicarius Filii Dei, a name that never existed. With time, all will.
Doctor Bacchiocchi, don't confuse type and antitype. Don't try to prove your Sabbath theology by discrediting the New Testament's fulfilment of the Old by means of false dichotomies used to water down the prophetic fulfilment of David's words in Christ.
Paulsen appears to be a conservative, going the way of the traditionalists who hold to Ellen White's writings. It's unlikely that he'll reform the Adventist denomination regarding their views on Ellen White - he has not done so thus far. He is looking at liturgy reform, it seems, in his views on church music. At least the views expressed do not go to the extreme Bacchiocchi goes to.
The papacy features a lot in Adventist prophecy, and it's not surprising that Dr Bacchiocchi has taken the opportunity of the death of Pope John Paul II and the election of Pope Benedict XVI to promote Adventism's anti-Catholic views. But this statement of his shows his extreme ignorance of the two men.
I was a third-generation Adventist until 15 years ago when I left and never looked back. I came from a "traditional" Adventist home where I was taught that the Catholic Church was Babylon and the Pope was practically Satan himself. This is pretty typical of traditional SDA teachings, saturated as they are with Ellen White's drivel.
In my recent discussion with Pastor O, it came up that he teaches that some of Paul's writings are uninspired opinions only - not all of what Paul wrote in the New Testament was the inspired word of God. The pastor did this because he needs to bring the Bible down to the level of his church's founder and prophetess Ellen White, who contradicts the Bible and prophesies falsely on many, many occasions.
Recently I had a discussion with a certain Pastor O of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Copied in below is a section of one e-mail he sent me 29 August 2001. In it he states that some of what Paul wrote is not really inspired, it is merely "opinion."
Prof Samuele Bacchiocchi is one of the Adventist Church's leading scholars. Recently he has written a response to the papal encyclical Dies Domini (The Day of the Lord). In this essay I have responded briefly to some of his claims. I have not done an exhaustive study on the matter, as time does not permit that. Perhaps that will come in time.