Posts Tagged ‘ Sabbath ’

A summary of the Sabbath vs Sunday evidence

June 16, 2018

By Stephen Korsman

This is a useful summary of the biblical evidence against sabbath observance and for Sunday observance.

Troll feeding, part 2

May 9, 2018

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists are strange things indeed. Experts in deceit. Experts at trolling. Experts at saying the same misconceptions over and over without listening to explanations as to why they are wrong. E.g. why we should all go and commit adultery and murder if we consider the sabbath obsolete. As if repeating the same silly argument will make people change their minds. Intelligent discussion with them is rare, and mostly impossible. I've never, never come across a religion with so much dishonesty in it, and with so…

Thus saith Ellen, part 4 – The 10 commandments

February 15, 2018

By Stephen Korsman

These descriptions, given to Ellen White in a vision, prove that the vision was NOT given by God. If it was not given by God, who was it that gave Ellen this vision? And what was their agenda when highlighting the sabbath?

Matthew 24 – The Olivet Prophecy

December 3, 2017

By Stephen Korsman

In Matt 24, Jesus outlines the events occurring at the end of the age. Does this mean the end of the world, sometime in the future? Probably not. Jesus specified that these events would happen in the lifetime of those he was speaking to - Matt 24:34. Furthermore, Jesus did indeed come at the end of an age, according to Heb 9:26 and 1 Cor 10:11 - and then God's relationship with Israel ended with Israel being called a harlot, and the Old Covenant came…

The Prophecies of Daniel – The little horns and Antiochus

December 3, 2017

By Stephen Korsman

Not everyone agrees as to whether the two little horns of Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 are the same entity. Some of the questions they ask are related to slight differences, especially the discrepancy between 2300 days and 3.5 years.

Jewish holy days fulfilled

April 10, 2017

By Stephen Korsman

Some Christians don't like to celebrate the events in Jesus' life, and they follow a pseudo-Jewish calendar that includes passover and the other Jewish holy days.

The Passover of the Jews

April 3, 2017

By Stephen Korsman

The Sacrificial Lamb - Josefa de Ayala, ca 1670

Three times the Bible refers to Passover as the Passover of the Jews. John 2:13, John 6:4, John 11:55.

3 days and 3 nights – from when till when?

March 27, 2017

By Stephen Korsman

Did Jesus die on a Friday and rise from the dead on a Sunday? Or did he die on a Wednesday or Thursday? And did he rise from the dead on a Saturday?

Does Adventism teach a deficient Gospel?

December 16, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

In the recent discussions with Adventists I've started to realise that Saturday observance, in the way modern sabbatarians teach it, is actually more than just a theological difference, more than just a minor error. It's a complete defect in the nature of the New Covenant.

Why Sunday is an improvement on the sabbath

December 9, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

With no weekly 7th day sabbath under the New Covenant, Christians chose the most important day of the week to hold as special - Sunday, the day Jesus rose from the dead.

The Law of God vs the Law of Moses

November 18, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists like to distinguish between the law of God and the law of Moses, between a moral law and a ceremonial law.

A sabbath commandment in Revelation?

September 16, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by Christians.

Free ebook – Catholic Discussion of Seventh-day Adventism

September 2, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Catholic Discussion of Seventh-day Adventism

It has been suggested to me over time that I write a book on Adventism. At last I've put together the more important posts from this blog into an ebook, which is free on this website and on Lulu, and minimally priced on Amazon.

Matt 5 vs Heb 7 – who is right?

August 26, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Matthew 5 says not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled and until the heavens and earth pass away. Adventists claim, then, that the sabbath law is still in effect.

Adventist misrepresentation of St Patrick

August 12, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Reputed site of burial of Saint Patrick, in churchyard of cathedral in Downpatrick, Northern Ireland

St Patrick is imagined to be a Sabbath keeper by many Adventists. The two writings we have of his, the Confession of St Patrick and his Letter to Coroticus, say nothing about the Sabbath.

Adventist misrepresentation of The Constitutions of the Holy Apostles

August 5, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

The Synaxis of the holy and the most praiseworthy Twelve Apostles

The section Adventists quote is about the 10 commandments, and amongst the 10 commandments is the commandment about keeping the sabbath. The document is not instructing Christians to keep the sabbath. It's citing the 10 commandments. That's not honest quoting on the part of Adventists.

Debate about Old Testament food laws

May 1, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

I posted a photo of Dutch frikandellen in an Adventist Facebook forum to draw out some discussion on Adventist dietary laws, with the hope that I could present, in back and forth discussion fashion, the material on my two blog posts "Clean and unclean meat", Part 1 and Part 2.

Religious Hardtalk – Adventism in Jamaica

April 25, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Religious Hardtalk - Elce 'Thunder' Lauriston

Elce 'Thunder' Lauriston, an Adventist evangelist in Jamaica, left Adventism and gives his story at Religious Hardtalk.

Col 2:16 – a weekly sabbath reference or not? Part 2

April 2, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Several times in the Old Testament, and twice in the New Testament, we see Israel's holy days listed in various time-based sequences, usually from frequent to infrequent (daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, multi-annual). Not every list covers all 5 frequencies, but you see that they are listed in a logical order.

Col 2:16 – a weekly sabbath reference or not? Part 1

March 31, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Col 2:16 is therefore best interpreted as: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an [annual] holyday, or of the new moon, or of the [weekly] sabbath days" ... thus following a time-line of annual, monthly, weekly.

The Sabbath ended on a Thursday

March 24, 2016

By Stephen Korsman

Today, Holy Thursday, is the day that the New Covenant came into being.

Christmas is Christian

December 25, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Adoration of the Shepherds, by Gerard van Honthorst, 1622 AD

At this time of the year, when Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, and the Incarnation of God the Son in human form, scoffers appear. Adventists are amongst these. Some Adventists celebrate Christmas, some don't. Those who don't rely on two key arguments - 1) it's not commanded in the Bible, and no permission is given to do so, and 2) misinformation.

Where is Sunday condemned in the Bible?

August 21, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Fake church sign with the only real biblical evidence Adventists have.

Kindle edition – It’s Okay Not To Be A Seventh-Day Adventist

August 14, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

The Kindle edition of Teresa and Arthur Beem's book, "It's Okay Not To Be A Seventh-Day Adventist", is now available at Amazon.

Ellen White centenary prayers (novena) – Conclusion

July 16, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Novena ConclusionToday, 16 July 2015, is the centenary of the death of Ellen White, Adventist prophetess. This Novena has asked her and all the angels and saints to pray with us for the return of the Adventist faith to the original teachings of Christianity.

Ellen White centenary prayers (novena) – Day 4

July 11, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Today, leading up to the centenary of Ellen White's death, we pray for Adventism, which teaches rest on the 7th day, and objects when we celebrate Christ's resurrection on the 8th day. We pray that they may discover that their rest is in Christ, that we are not bound by days that were signs of the Old Covenant, that they may commemorate the new creation in Christ, instead of the old creation in Adam, and that they may celebrate our exodus from sin and not…

Ellen White centenary prayers (novena) – Introduction

July 8, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

In the Nine Days leading up to the 100th anniversary of the death of Adventist prophetess Ellen White (16 July 2015), we will say a novena - a prayer continued for nine days - for those who follow her teachings today.

Will Catholics persecute Adventists for sabbath keeping?

May 30, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Seventh-day Adventists think that in the end times, they will be persecuted by Sunday-keeping Christians, and by Catholics in particular. Why? Because they think observing the weekly sabbath according to some, but not all, of the Old Testament sabbath laws, will be the test commandment, the test that shows they are the true followers of God.

Baptism by immersion only?

April 24, 2015

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists baptise only by full immersion (submersion), and they don’t consider other forms of baptism to be real baptisms. They also don’t baptise infants, but that’s another story for another day. As with the Sabbath, Adventism’s doctrine is based on selected texts and not the entire biblical picture. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, recognises all three modes of baptism depicted in the Bible. We baptise by immersion (single or triple) and by pouring, and while we don’t baptise by sprinkling, we recognise its…

Adventism cannot be the true remnant church

September 27, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

Picture of a random baby off WikiMedia Commons

Adventism claims to be the chosen remnant church, called out of the rest of Christianity. The identifying sign of the remnant, according to Adventism, is that they keep all 10 commandments. They don't. Officially, Adventism condones abortion. That means, officially, Adventism cannot be the true remnant they claim to be.

Shame on you – Adventists, dishonesty, and the Catholic Church

August 30, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

Jesus doesn't like lies being told about Christians.

Adventists have a reputation for their dishonesty, and not just among Catholics. Out there in real life and on the internet there is a huge collection of anti-Catholic propaganda waiting for gullible Catholics, and others, to ensnare them. When a Catholic meets a certain type of Adventist, this sort of propaganda abounds.

Dishonest Adventists

August 30, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

Here are some examples from recent Facebook conversations. Discussions are trimmed to include the relevant bits. Disgusting to read, and disgusting to have to deal with regularly. Not all the "Catholic" discussion is mine; where more than one person was involved in the discussion, they are numbered 1 and 2.

The Sabbath first revealed to man

August 28, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

Exodus 16 is the very first time in the Bible when anyone is told to keep the Sabbath. What has just happened is that Israel has come out of Egypt. If we compare Exodus 20 to Deut 5, we get two things that the Sabbath represents. 1 - creation (in the Exodus text). 2 - coming out of Egypt (in the Deuteronomy text). God's intention must have been to have a dual symbolism there.

Whose truth is the real truth, and how can we know?

June 18, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

When Christians study the Bible and reach different conclusions, how can they figure out which conclusion is the correct one? Is there a way to know that one is right, apart from the conviction that the Holy Spirit has led one in one's study of the Bible? When someone has a different interpretation of the Bible to ours, how do we know the Holy Spirit has led us, and not them? How can we be sure that we are right? Or is there a possibility…

Did Constantine found the Catholic Church?

February 1, 2014

By Stephen Korsman

The short answer, no, but that won't satisfy Adventists and other anti-Catholics. Over at Almost Not Catholic, Brent has a good article debunking Adventist claims - Myth Buster: Constantine Founded the Catholic Church.

The 10 Commandments and the New Law in Catholic teaching

November 2, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

Here we look at Catholic explanations, showing that this concept of the 10 Commandments being part of the Old Covenant legal code, and therefore not the legal code in effect today, is indeed believed by Catholics and supported by Catholic teaching.

The Sabbath and the Old Covenant, part 3

November 1, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

In the first part of this series, we saw that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 Commandments, that the 10 Commandments are the words of the Old Covenant, and that the Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. In Part 2 we looked at the New Covenant's legal code, and saw that the 10 Commandments are no longer binding as a legal code under the New Covenant. Now we'll look at how the 10 Commandments still apply to Christians.

The Sabbath and the Old Covenant, part 2

October 31, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

In the first part of this series, we saw that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 Commandments, that the 10 Commandments are the words of the Old Covenant, and that the Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. Now we'll look at what the New Covenant's legal code is, and what the 10 Commandments are under the New Covenant.

Christian Halloween

October 31, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

No, Halloween is NOT a pagan holiday adopted by Catholics and passed on to Protestants. That's a myth perpetuated by anti-Catholics and those who, contrary to the Bible, fear what has been offered to pagan gods. So, in reality, Halloween is a safe and fun secular practice with Christian origins. If you don't believe that, or dislike the type of Christian faith it originated in, follow Paul's advice. If you don't feel you can go that far yet, don't complain about those who have a…

The Sabbath and the Old Covenant, part 1

October 30, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

10 Commandments, 10th century Byzantine Paris Psalter

If you ask the average Christian, "Should we obey the 10 Commandments?" they will likely say "Yes." Enter the Adventist, who then asks why the average Christian doesn't keep the 4th commandment, which states that we should keep the Sabbath. ... The Decalogue was the actual set of words making up the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was replaced with the New. Even Paul acknowledges that the law written on stone has been replaced.

St John Chrysostom on the Sabbath

October 27, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

St John Chrysostom makes a very interest point: 9 of the 10 Commandments were part of natural law, known to man before the 10 Commandments, and therefore not in need of any explanation. The Sabbath commandment was not like this - it needed to be revealed, and that is why it did not remain binding when the Mosaic Law came to an end - it was not part of natural law.

Testimony – Adventist converts to Maronite Catholic

August 17, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

This is a series of e-mails I got from a lady who converted from Anglican to Adventist, spent 20 years as an Adventist, realised how wrong it was, went back to the Anglican church for a while, and then finally converted to the Catholic faith. ... "I have only recently discovered your Catholic help webpage on the net and wish to thank you for your courage in sharing your faith, plus the extensive biblical/Early Church Fathers debunking of SDA teachings re Catholic Christianity, salvation, the…

What Catholics Believe – Introduction

August 9, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

I have been planning to write a series of posts over the next year or so that will cover some of the major points on which Catholics get hassled by non-Catholics, and in particular by Adventists and other Sabbath-keeping groups. Finally I have managed to get round to it. My intention is to present or explain what the Catholic Church believes, what the biblical evidence is, and why the commonly heard objections are faulty. I will not be writing a complete thesis on each topic,…

Pope Francis does not have an Adventist brother

July 24, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

When one group of Christians needs to lie about another group of Christians in order to look good and promote their cause, what does that say about them? The commandment not to lie is part of the same set of 10 that contains the commandment to keep the Sabbath. Yet some Sabbath keepers are more than willing to tell lies about the Catholic Church to promote their agenda.

Is Easter Christian? A reply to Samuele Bacchiocchi

April 12, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

The Crucifixion of the Parlement of Paris

The late Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi was influenced by the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, and promoted the observance of Jewish holy days instead of Christian holy days. In his Endtime Issues #43 he rearranges the historical evidence to form a revised version of history to support his arguments. He beautifully provides us with a typical example of how historical evidence is misapplied.

Samuele Bacchiocchi and the Gregorian controversy

February 24, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

A controversy arise, initiated by me, disputing his claims. The Gregorian University initially disputed all of the above. Later they were shown to be wrong on some important points, but several matters still remain unresolved, and unfortunately are perpetuated in Adventist / Sabbatarian circles, and in copies of his book.

From Prophetess to Pope – Conversion Story of Arthur and Teresa Beem

February 11, 2013

By Stephen Korsman

Arthur and Teresa Beem are ex-Adventists who became Catholic. They have a book, which I blogged on previously and I will eventually move that post to this new blog. Very, very good and insightful book. They have two blogs which I highly recommend.

Erol – 1 Corinthians 16 verses 1-2

February 22, 2009

By Stephen Korsman

Over at Answering Catholicism, Erol is making some interesting claims about the Catholic Church. Apart from subscribing to the long discredited Vicarius Filii Dei = papal title myth, he has a number of less unreasonable articles about Catholicism, to which he objects.

Why we keep Sunday

September 22, 2008

By Stephen Korsman

Mother of God of Vladimir, a 12th century icon

Hi I am curious and am searching on why should we keep the Sunday worship. That is the only question I want to know can you please tell me the answer. I'm not good with the computer So please can you explain.

Tiny urls

July 6, 2008

By Stephen Korsman

And lastly, http://tinyurl.com/sabbathday takes you to someone's ... whose, I wonder?? ... webpage on the biblical issues related to 7th day Sabbath observance by Christians.

It’s Ok Not To Be A Seventh-Day Adventist – book review

April 24, 2008

By Stephen Korsman

It’s Ok Not To Be A Seventh-Day Adventist – book review

Teresa and Arthur Beem resigned from the Adventist denomination in 2002. Their resignation letter was made public and was widely discussed in cyberspace. Since then, they have written a book to let people know about their experience in, and leaving, the Adventist movement. This is their continuing saga.

The Gregorian responds

March 9, 2007

By Stephen Korsman

On some issues, Bergami was wrong. On the rest, it seems that Bacchiocchi will let them go. In light of this, I apologise to Samuele Bacchiocchi for the trouble my inquiries have caused him. My questions were justified, and brought greater clarity as to the relationship between his thesis, his promotors, and the Catholic Church. But I never wished for someone to provide misleading information the way Barbara Bergami did. What her motivations were, and how well she investigated the matter, are not known. How…

“The Sabbath, is of utmost importance!!”

January 19, 2007

By Stephen Korsman

One of the comments there is worth highlighting. It's a wonderful example of how the Sabbath gets read into the New Testament Christian life without biblical support. "Sure, Korsman is right about there being no command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath, and no clear cases where the New Testament Christians kept it ..." Stark admission. But that's where it ends.

The Sabbath in the Gospels

January 14, 2007

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists tell us that the Bible commands Sabbath keeping for Christians. All the verses mentioning the Sabbath in the New Testament (apart from the Gospels) are discussed [link]. Not one commands Sabbath observance, and not one gives an example of Christians keeping the Sabbath.

Detailed Bacchiocchi analysis on the XCG blog

January 1, 2007

By Stephen Korsman

On the XCG blog, Jared has compiled an extremely detailed analysis of Bacchiocchi's two responses to the Gregorian Controversy. What interests me the most is the Imprimi Potest. There is a detailed discussion of the Imprimatur/Imprimi Potest at XCG, comment 91. How did it turn into an Imprimatur?

If Gregorian is wrong

December 24, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

If Gregorian has been telling the truth about the Bacchiocchi issue, then the outcome is clear - Bacchiocchi will be put in perspective, and Gregorian retains respect. On the other hand, if Gregorian has NOT been telling the truth ... what then?

Latest update on Bacchiocchi

December 24, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Bacchiocchi says his submission to Gregorian and Bishop Murray will be ready in about 10 days.

More on Sunday and Pope Sylvester I

December 20, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Michael Schiefler has been trying to squeeze more water out of a stone on his anti-Catholic website. I commented on it before. He seems to think he has the name of the Pope that changed the Sabbath to Sunday nailed down - Pope Sylvester I. Scheifler is basing his claims on second-hand information based on what are probably spurious documents.

Second part of Bacchiocchi’s response

December 7, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Bacchiocchi's Response to False Allegations Pt 2 has been posted on-line by Bacchiocchi. One has to wade through a lot of information, such as recommendations for his book, that really do nothing to prove his side of the story. If you cut it down to the necessary facts, does he really provide solid evidence? He provides a good case. But a lot of it remains unverified. His explanation of the process of publishing his thesis is convincing. Does anyone out there have a copy of…

Is Saturday the True Sabbath?

December 3, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Obviously, then, the challenge to the Catholic comes on several fronts; first, we must examine the argument that the seventh-day Sabbath was truly "given as a sign forever, and a perpetual covenant"; next, we must show from Scripture that the apostles did, in fact, worship on Sunday; finally, we have to answer the accusation that it was a pope (or council) who imposed the change, and that this was not done until (at the earliest) the mid-to-late 4th century.

Where does the Bible say …

November 27, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Made by the Warning Label Generator.

The end of the Novena

November 26, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

I should note that requesting the prayers of deceased non-Catholics is not the norm, and that non-Catholics are not canonised as saints in the Catholic Church. If Ellen White is in heaven, we do not know, but we can hope and pray that she is. If she is, she will be praying with us. If not, God hears our prayers - cf Romans 8:26. This is therefore a private devotion, not one officially sanctioned by the Church, which I have shared with you.

Novena for Adventists – Day 7 – The Sabbath

November 24, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Today we pray for Adventism, which teaches rest on the 7th day, and objects when we celebrate Christ's resurrection on the 8th day. We pray that they may discover that their rest is in Christ, that we are not bound by days that were signs of the Old Covenant, that they may commemorate the new creation in Christ, instead of the old creation in Adam, and that they may celebrate our exodus from sin and not just Israel's exodus from Egypt.

A Novena for Adventists

November 18, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

In the Nine Days leading up to the 179th anniversary of the birth of Adventist prophetess Ellen White, we will say a novena - a prayer continued for nine days - for those who follow her teachings today.

Bacchiocchi’s response to the Gregorian debate

November 14, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Bacchiocchi’s response to the Gregorian debate

Today Bacchiocchi published the first part of his response to their allegations in his Endtime Issues newsletter number 159, which can be found on his website. In the next, I hope to see his explanation of a) the imprimatur, b) the continued use of the imprimatur on an edition for which it was not obtained, c) the use of the name of Gregorian University Press on newer editions in a way that looks official, and d) evidence of the initial publication by them.

Bacchiocchi – images of his diploma and medal

October 31, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Bacchiocchi – images of his diploma and medal

Samuele Bacchiocchi has said that he will be posting scanned images of his certificates on his website as part of a statement against the allegations made by Gregorian University regarding his credentials and claims about his PhD and his dissertation. We all hope to see that statement soon, but while we wait, here are a few scanned images he sent me a while back.

Which chapter did Sam publish?

October 28, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Which chapter of his full dissertation did Samuele Bacchiocchi publish for the purposes of obtaining his PhD? I.e. the Tesina, published in 1975. He claims that one chapter was published. He claims that three chapters were published. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 5. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 7. He claims that the published chapter was in fact three chapters - the first three chapters. He claims that the Tesina was 117 pages long. He claims that the Tesina…

Bacchiocchi’s current crisis

October 27, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Two other blogs have taken up the topic of Samuele Bacchiocchi's credentials and the allegations that they are not what he says they are. Gregorian University apparently denies that he got his PhD summa cum laude, that he received any medals, that his book was given an imprimatur, and that they printed it.

Allegations regarding Bacchiocchi’s dissertation

October 26, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

It looks like the controversy surrounding Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi's claims regarding his credentials and his thesis have once again sparked discussion. So, finally, after more than 2 years, Bacchiocchi is going to make a formal statement. It will certainly be interesting. Will he be able to provide verification for any claims he makes in his statement, any images he produces? Will the authenticity of any documentation he produces remain in question, or be resolved? Will Gregorian respond, or will they relegate him to the…

Apparently I whine

October 7, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Richard Kissell's previous e-mail from about 2 years ago: Apparently he had the same attitude then as he has now.

Plant some mums doc

October 7, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

As for snide remarks, Kissell and Bacchiocchi seem to have much in common. Not the same denomination, but birds of a feather.

Adventists abusing Socrates

August 22, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

There are two well-known quote from Socrates' Ecclesiastical History. I am sure most Adventists and those who have come across what they teach are familiar with them. By taking away context, they hide the truth that these were not Sabbath keepers, but Sunday keepers who had retained the Sabbath as a custom.

Adventists changing the Bible?

July 23, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

He chopped out the word "commandments" in Exodus 16:28, and replaced it with "Sabbaths" - he may well be quoting from the Clear Word Bible, but I am not sure of that. The Clear Word Bible is an Adventist composition that makes tremendous changes to the actual text in order to support Adventist teachings.

Who changed the Sabbath?

July 23, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists often make the claim that Catholicism claims to have changed the Sabbath. They then cite their proof - unofficial texts, usually newspaper quotes, statements that disagree with the official Catholic position. This is a classic Adventist ploy. I've discussed it further here. Without that, Adventism can't pinpoint which pope they claim changed the Sabbath.

The anti-Catholic Oneness Pentecostal again

July 7, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

If people are not willing to be civil, to engage in reasonable discussion, I'm not interested. I have no time for rhetoric and misguided propaganda. How can they claim to be answering Catholicism when they aren't able to even represent its teachings properly when they disagree with them? They can serve as an example ... that's all such a discussion can do. So here it is.

Example of an anti-Catholic’s rhetoric

July 7, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

In summary, this seems to be a denomination on the very fringe of Christianity, even further out than the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, who also have a peculiar set of beliefs. They appear to be Oneness Pentecostals ... who, in my experience, are not good at honesty when it comes to Catholicism and others they disagree with.

Sal’s questions and answers – Sabbath, soul sleep, infant baptism

May 6, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

On AllExperts, there are two useful articles on the Sabbath and soul sleep, by a Catholic responding to Adventist questions.

Bacchiocchi’s thesis – the Gregorian Controversy

April 6, 2006

By Stephen Korsman

Samuele Bacchiocchi's book "From Sabbath to Sunday" attempts to discredit the claims of Protestants and Catholics that Sunday observance is an Apostolic institution, and promotes the idea that it was a later Catholic development. In his latest newsletter, Bacchiocchi mentions that his alma mater, the Gregorian University, has negated several of his claims about his credentials.

Worshipping Ellen White

December 23, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

In his latest Endtime Issues (#141,) Samuele Bacchiocchi again criticises the papal stand on moral issues, and the commitment of Catholics to the support of Catholic moral teaching. It looks like moral strength is a sign of the end-time evil power. Or so many Adventists would have us believe.

From sunset to sunset

November 5, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

This is the passage that Adventists follow in their sunset to sunset idea of the Sabbath. Most of them don't realise that this is part of the Mosaic law that they consider abolished, because it does not refer to the Sabbath, but to the Day of Atonement. The author cleverly conceals this fact with "..." and then lies about what the passage is describing.

Remember the Sabbath day

November 5, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

If we use the meaning of the Hebrew to translate it "Recognise the Sabbath day," that destroys the Adventist position that God was telling them to look into the past.

Who changed the Sabbath: Adventist misquoting

October 23, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Often one sees Adventists quoting Catholic sources to show that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Usually these quotes are either from sources that are not real sources of Catholic teaching (e.g. newspapers) while others are taken out of context.

Missing Sunday Mass a sin?

October 21, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Unless there is a good reason not to, refusal to worship with fellow Christians must be seen in a negative light - it is not good for the Christian, and it is not good for the fellowship of the Church. It is in that sense that not going to church is considered to be a sin. That is the moral sense that existed when the Sabbath was in force as well, and while the timing on the 7th day is no longer of importance to…

Pope Sylvester I – who changed the Sabbath?

October 21, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Michael Scheifler has a "rebuttal" on his website to something I wrote. He claims that the pope who changed the Sabbath to Sunday was Pope Sylvester I. In light of the teachings of Ellen White, and in light of history – as taught by real historians – this cannot be seen as more than a failed attempt to make the argument seem viable. But it is not viable.

Isaiah 66 – from one sabbath to another

August 19, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

"From one week to another, and from one month to another..." NOT thinking of the Jew's weekly feasts or monthly feasts, but simply of the continual passing of times of continual worship to YHWH.

“Whatever happened to Sunday?”

August 5, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Sometimes we should look past Adventism's devotion to the Sabbath and see in it their devotion to God.

Why Do We Worship on Sunday?

August 5, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Sunday, not Saturday, is the Christian Sabbath. To continue to observe the fourth commandment on the last day of the week is to deny, by implication, the coming of Christ and his once and for all redemptive work. On the other hand, observing Sunday testifies to the fact that Christ has conquered sin and death so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Bacchiocchi on the 58th General Conference

July 14, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Doctor Bacchiocchi, don't confuse type and antitype. Don't try to prove your Sabbath theology by discrediting the New Testament's fulfilment of the Old by means of false dichotomies used to water down the prophetic fulfilment of David's words in Christ.

Samuele Bacchiocchi and HH Pope Benedict XVI

June 27, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

Samuele Bacchiocchi and HH Pope Benedict XVI

The papacy features a lot in Adventist prophecy, and it's not surprising that Dr Bacchiocchi has taken the opportunity of the death of Pope John Paul II and the election of Pope Benedict XVI to promote Adventism's anti-Catholic views. But this statement of his shows his extreme ignorance of the two men.

Monetary offerings on the Sabbath???

June 17, 2005

By Stephen Korsman

I find it odd, as a frequently used argument by Adventists is that the offerings on the first day of the week mentioned in 1 Cor 16:2 were put aside on the first day because collecting them on the Sabbath would have been breaking the Sabbath. Are Adventists today breaking the Sabbath by taking up such collections? Or is it just a bad argument?

Testimony of an ex-Adventist #6

December 31, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and to those whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, he He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

The Sabbath and the Catholic Church

December 31, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

... by Dan Severino, circa 2004 – I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God. I returned to the Catholic Church about a year and a half ago. My mother is a member of one of the branches of this organization and the attached article is a rough draft I'm sending her to explain the Catholic position. ... This paper will, as clearly as I am capable, explain the Catholic position. I will use Catholic documents; e.g. the Catechism of the…

To whom was the Sabbath given, as a sign of what?

December 27, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

These verses point out that the Sabbath was a sign between GOD and ISRAEL, that it was given as a sign of the OLD COVENANT, and that this covenant was NOT made with their fathers. Scripture speaks of God giving ISRAEL the Sabbath, not MAN, and NOT anyone before the time of Moses. It was to the people at the time of Moses that God first made known his Sabbath. With these verses, and a total lack of any text in the Bible that indicates…

Matt 5 – will the law never pass away?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Matt 5:17-19 is actually a key verse for refuting the Adventist position. Jesus says that not one jot or tittle will pass from the law UNTIL all is fulfilled. This implies that a point WILL come when ALL IS fulfilled. Let’s look at texts like Heb 7:12, 2 Cor 3:6-14; Heb 7:12; John 19:28-3, and Acts 15 (where a law given directly by God to Abraham, and called a perpetual law for ALL Abraham’s generations, is abolished by a council of the Church.) Here we…

Isaiah 66 – Sabbath keeping in heaven?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists will tell you that this passage, particularly verse 23, shows that in the Kingdom of God, we will be keeping the Sabbath. That is a typical Sabbatarian twisting of that text. The text says that people worshipped FROM one Sabbath TO the next. It does NOT say that people worshipped ON one sabbath AND the next. If you understood Hebrew and/or English grammar, you would realise that this refers to continuous worship on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday and again the…

Gen 2:2–3 – Did Adam keep the Sabbath?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Sabbatarians often use this text to show the importance of the Sabbath, and even that Adam kept the Sabbath. But the words "Adam knew about the Sabbath" are not in the text. The text does NOT say that Adam rested. It says that GOD rested.

Acts 18 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Yes, 72 Sabbaths spent preaching to unbelievers in a service organised by unbelievers. That was not a Christian worship service. In fact, every single such Sabbath gathering mentioned in Acts is of the same type - a NON-Christian service that some Christians were also attending to witness to those who had not yet accepted Christ. If your local Adventist pastor spent 72 Sundays preaching to Sunday-keepers in a Sunday-keeping church hall, would he be keeping Sunday? No ... by the same logic, these texts are…

Acts 17 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists state that it was Paul's manner to witness in the synagogue on the Sabbath, and from that they conclude that he worshipped there too at the same time. The text does not use the word "worship" and the word "manner" does not imply worship either.

Acts 16 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Acts 16:13 is different to the other references to the Sabbath in Acts, but nothing in this text suggests this was a Christian worship service. Yes, it was the Sabbath, but that is simply the day of the week on which it occurred. Just like at times other days of the week are named, there is NOTHING in this text that implies that this was a Sabbath service. Christians can and do worship on ANY day of the week - this was nothing special.

Acts 20:7 – a service on the first day of the week?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Acts 20:7 refers to a Christian worship service that was held on the first day of the week. According to the text, the service began AFTER the sunset which signaled the start of the first day, so it wasn't even a continuation of a service that began the day before. A look at the grammar of the text in a reliable English translation, and better still, the original Greek, will prove wrong the claims by some Sabbatarian groups that this was a Sabbath service that…

Hebrews 4 – what is the Christian Sabbath?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Hebrews goes through a list of OLD Covenant signs and compares them to the NEW Covenant reality. If Hebrews is to be consistent in its treatment of these Old Covenant signs, the Sabbath must be treated the same was as circumcision, lambicide, and priests. Adventists claim that the Sabbath is different in this case, that it continues for Christians today, based on Heb 4:9.

Gal 4:10-11 – do we need to keep the Sabbath?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Paul was writing to Gentile Christians who had converted from paganism and adopted a strict Jewish way of life - going from one pointless extreme to another. They were keeping Jewish law strictly, so the days they kept were not pagan holy days. If we read the preceding chapters, we will see that Paul is talking here of the same ritualistic trappings, only this time in Judaism. He mentions circumcision in chapter 2 and he mentions the observance of days in chapter 4. The Gentiles…

Rom 14:5-6 – do we need to keep the Sabbath?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

The important phrase is "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." If Christians were expected to observe the Sabbath, Paul would be encouraging them to keep the Sabbath, trying to convince them of a certain point of view, not giving them freedom to do what they feel is right. He would not say that both those who ate meat and those who did not eat meat both gave thanks to God, right alongside saying those who keep the day honour God by…

Col 2:14-17 – does this refer to the 7th day Sabbath?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Paul starts by mentioning that the law is nailed to the cross, and he goes on to mention a few laws as examples. One law that he mentions is the Sabbath. Sabbatarians try to argue that this word does not mean the 7th day Sabbath in this context. That argument is unscriptural and illogical for two main reasons.

Easter weekend and the Sabbath / first day

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Some Adventists try to avoid accepting that Jesus appeared on the Sunday of his resurrection, and the Sunday after that. But Luke 24:29 is pretty explicit that this was STILL Sunday. Look at the wording. In my RSV, it says that "it is TOWARD evening and the day is far spent." This says that the day is NEARLY over, but still the same day ... not yet Monday, sunset has not yet passed. This is a desperate attempt to defuse the evidence by destroying ANY…

John 7 – circumcision on the Sabbath

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

God also refers to circumcision as a perpetual covenant in Genesis 17:11-13, to incense as one in Exod 30:8, to the Levitical priesthood as one in Exod 29:9. All these so-called perpetual covenants have been done away with at the cross. Just because they are called perpetual covenants does not mean that their purpose will never come to an end. Circumcision was for ALL Abraham's generations, yet although we are part of that people, circumcision if not necessary for Christians. The same goes for the…

Luke 4 – did Jesus set an example of Sabbath keeping for us?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Any Sabbath observance that Jesus did would have to explained to people who did not keep the Sabbath and who were unfamiliar with it. And therefore, when we see that Jesus' Sabbath visit to the synagogue was actually explained, we need to ask WHY it needed to be explained. And, if we look at what the Bible and history show about first century Gentile Christians, we see that Luke needed to explain Jesus' Sabbath customs because the Christian Gentiles were not familiar with the Sabbath…

Mark 2/Matt 12/Luke 6 – was the Sabbath made for all mankind to keep?

April 11, 2004

By Stephen Korsman

Adventists claim that these passages show that the Sabbath is still in effect, and Christians are obliged to keep it. They claim that Mark 2:27, in saying that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath, proves that the Sabbath was not given to Israel alone, but to all mankind. ... By removing the verse from its context, Sabbath keepers turn the meaning around. This is a well-documented logical fallacy, called the false dichotomy. The verse, out of context, is presented as…

The Sabbath and the 8th day

December 31, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

The Sabbath command is the only one of the Ten Commandments which can be altered in any way, because only it is a part of the ceremonial law. This is taught by the Roman Catechism issued after the Council of Trent: "The other commandments of the Decalogue are precepts of the natural law, obligatory at all times [and for all people] and unalterable. Hence, after the abrogation of the Law of Moses, all the Commandments contained in the two tables are observed by Christians, not…

Acts 15 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

December 27, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

The decision of the Apostles was that the Old Covenant laws did not apply to Christians except for "meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication." No mention of the Sabbath. This is a far stronger argument than Adventism's argument from silence. This is a list if things that Gentile Christians were told to do. If they had to keep the Sabbath, then it would have to have been included in this list. It was not included. That says…

Adventist Review’s indirect admission of Ellen White’s errors

November 27, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

Adventist Review’s indirect admission of Ellen White’s errors

I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White's book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh's Branch Davidians are in…

Acts 13 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

November 27, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

Yes, Acts 13 is referring to a Sabbath service, but look where the service is! Is this a Christian service, organised by Christians, for Christian worship? Or is this a Jewish service, organised by Jews, for the usual synagogue service that had been going on in the synagogues for decades prior to Christ's lifetime? ... Where does Acts 13 use the word "worship" in relation to the actions of Paul? Nowhere - not one of the words used indicates worship by Paul. The text of…

Acts 1 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

November 27, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

Many Adventists continue the principle of the Pharisees that dictates how far one may walk on the sabbath before one is considered to have "worked." Apart from places where the term "sabbath day's journey" is used, they have no support for this in the Bible.

1 Cor 16:2 – regular first day services?

November 27, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

1 Cor 16:2 is quite good evidence for regular Sunday observance. It shows that every week - regularly, weekly - on a certain day, the people collected money for mission work done by Paul. This day was the first day of the week. The passage does not directly state that there are worship services on the first day of the week, but one can deduce from the context that this had to be so. The money was brought together weekly to one place - when…

Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day?

October 8, 2003

By Stephen Korsman

To walk too far on the Sabbath was to break the Sabbath, and Christians should pray not to break the Sabbath by having to flee Jerusalem on that day. ... He, who permitted the saving of a sheep's life on the Sabbath by pulling it from a pit, who told the paralysed man to get up and carry away his bed on the Sabbath, said we should pray not to have to break the Sabbath by saving our own lives?

Constantine, the Papacy, and the real origins of Sunday

November 5, 2001

By Stephen Korsman

If I understand the Catholic position correctly, they say the Pope did not change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday. They contend this was done by the Apostolic Church and there is no record of a "Pope" making the change, but it was done on authority of the Catholic Church.

Albigensians, Waldensians, and Ellen White

December 10, 1999

By Stephen Korsman

Albigensians, Waldensians, and Ellen White

If Jesus preserved his Church at all times, and did in fact remain with it at all times as he promised, then the inescapable conclusion is that the Catholic Church of the first, second, third, and later centuries is the Church to which he made these promises. Such a conclusion is unacceptable to the carnal mind, and so several Christians who choose not to accept the biblical authority of the Church have tried to find a way around this. They usually turn to the Albigensians,…

Dies Domini – a response to Samuele Bacchiocchi

April 25, 1999

By Stephen Korsman

Prof Samuele Bacchiocchi is one of the Adventist Church's leading scholars. Recently he has written a response to the papal encyclical Dies Domini (The Day of the Lord). In this essay I have responded briefly to some of his claims. I have not done an exhaustive study on the matter, as time does not permit that. Perhaps that will come in time.

Did the papacy really uproot the 3 horns of Daniel 7:8,24 ?

September 14, 1998

By Stephen Korsman

Basilica of Sant'Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy

In what follows, I would like to try to prove two things - a) the three tribes were NOT defeated by the papacy, and were NOT the only three tribes to be defeated like they were, and b) the most essential part of this SDA prophetic scenario will be debunked when it is shown that the neither the Western Roman Empire, nor the nations of Western Europe, fit into the "10 horn" image of Daniel/Revelation. Because there were NOT 10 "horns" or kingdoms in this…

Is the Sabbath moral or ceremonial law?

July 19, 1998

By Stephen Korsman

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the moral law laid down by God through Moses is still intact today, and must be kept (though they, unlike their founder Ellen White, do admit that salvation does not come through the keeping of these commandments.) They also teach that the ceremonial laws laid down by God through Moses are no longer in effect today - we need no longer observe ritual purification like the ancient Israelites did, nor need we sacrifice lambs at Passover. However, they teach that the…

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