Elce 'Thunder' Lauriston, an Adventist evangelist in Jamaica, left Adventism and gives his story at Religious Hardtalk.
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Elce 'Thunder' Lauriston, an Adventist evangelist in Jamaica, left Adventism and gives his story at Religious Hardtalk.
Today, leading up to the centenary of Ellen White's death, we pray for Adventism, which teaches strange doctrines not known to the original Christian faith. Jesus was said to be returning in 1843, and later 1844, and when he failed, the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement was developed to cover up that error in predicting Jesus' return. May God lead them to realise that many of their teachings are found neither in the Bible, nor in the original faith of the Apostles, and, in fact,…
Adventism's decision about the ordination of women is not really about the Bible - it's about being part of the world, and that is why Adventism will eventually fall - it's part of the world's need to reject divine authority and do as it pleases, the essence of Protestantism, the itching ear syndrome (2 Timothy 4:3).
An Adventist is possibly amongst those running for the throne that is arguably the most powerful position in the world. Dr Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr., a retired neurosurgeon and a Republican, is potentially the next US President. And he is a Seventh-day Adventist.
Here are some examples from recent Facebook conversations. Discussions are trimmed to include the relevant bits. Disgusting to read, and disgusting to have to deal with regularly. Not all the "Catholic" discussion is mine; where more than one person was involved in the discussion, they are numbered 1 and 2.
This is a series of e-mails I got from a lady who converted from Anglican to Adventist, spent 20 years as an Adventist, realised how wrong it was, went back to the Anglican church for a while, and then finally converted to the Catholic faith. ... "I have only recently discovered your Catholic help webpage on the net and wish to thank you for your courage in sharing your faith, plus the extensive biblical/Early Church Fathers debunking of SDA teachings re Catholic Christianity, salvation, the…
Catholics (and most other Christians) believe Sunday is a special day to be celebrated, because it is the day Jesus rose from the dead. The Jews kept the Sabbath on Saturday, and this is reflected in the 10 Commandments. However, only the moral code of the Old Testament is applicable to Christians - we don't need to sacrifice animals, keep Passover, Yom Kippur, or the Sabbath, and we are free from the dietary restrictions as well.
When one group of Christians needs to lie about another group of Christians in order to look good and promote their cause, what does that say about them? The commandment not to lie is part of the same set of 10 that contains the commandment to keep the Sabbath. Yet some Sabbath keepers are more than willing to tell lies about the Catholic Church to promote their agenda.
The statement "the quality or degree of inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of Scripture" is one the Ellen G White Estate does not believe.
Arthur and Teresa Beem are ex-Adventists who became Catholic. They have a book, which I blogged on previously and I will eventually move that post to this new blog. Very, very good and insightful book. They have two blogs which I highly recommend.
Teresa and Arthur Beem resigned from the Adventist denomination in 2002. Their resignation letter was made public and was widely discussed in cyberspace. Since then, they have written a book to let people know about their experience in, and leaving, the Adventist movement. This is their continuing saga.
There are a few comments going on at the end of one of my posts, mainly regarding closed communion and Catholic sacraments being available to non-Catholics. This post was created to continue those discussions, and served to only result in further topics being discussed - see below.
Today we pray for Adventism, which condemns the Lord's Supper as pagan and idolatrous, not able to recognise the Body of Christ in the Eucharist, not willing to recognise the biblical pattern of each action and phrase used, out of fear and suspicion. We pray that they come to see what Christians since the first century have seen, and believe what has been believed by Christians for nearly 2000 years.
Today we pray for Adventism, which teaches rest on the 7th day, and objects when we celebrate Christ's resurrection on the 8th day. We pray that they may discover that their rest is in Christ, that we are not bound by days that were signs of the Old Covenant, that they may commemorate the new creation in Christ, instead of the old creation in Adam, and that they may celebrate our exodus from sin and not just Israel's exodus from Egypt.
Today we pray for Adventism, who deny the spirit of man. Instead of believing in a heaven filled with saints praising God, to them, we are alone, with no living cloud of witnesses to pray for their fellow Christians on earth. We pray that they come to understand the biblical teaching that our fellow-believers have indeed become spirits made perfect, and that we praise God united with them.
Today we pray for Adventism, which teaches its followers to try to live according to selected laws of the Old Covenant. There were many health-related laws under the Old Covenant, but these are not used by Adventism. Dietary laws were symbolic, and Peter was shown one aspect of the symbolism in vision. It is not our diet that God is pleased with, it is our heart. We pray that God reveal this to the followers of Adventism.
Today we pray for Adventism, which has, several times, set dates for the return of Christ, and has followed a prophetess whose prophecies were not in harmony with the Bible, and turned out to be false prophecies. May the realisation of this fact bring them closer to the truth.
Today we pray for Adventism, whose theology of the Sabbath leads them to feel persecuted by other faiths, which in turn leads them to fear and distance themselves from other Christians. We hope that they may find a sense of belonging and identity in the Christian community, the communion of saints, without having to find that sense of belonging and identity from a sense of persecution.
Today we pray for Adventism, which teaches strange doctrines not known to the original Christian faith. Jesus was said to be returning in 1843, and later 1844, and when he failed, the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement was developed to cover up that error in predicting Jesus' return. May God lead them to realise that many of their teachings are found neither in the Bible, nor in the original faith of the Apostles, and, in fact, contradict them.
Today we pray for Adventism, that it might see the light and truth it rejects in the Catholic faith it despises. Many within their fold fear the Catholic faith, despise it, and speak against it, not fully comprehending its beauty and faithfulness to the truth contained in the Bible. May God soften their hearts so that they may see the love we share, and the glory we give God in our lives and in our worship.
Dale Ratzlaf has a response to Adventist Elder Jud Lake's attack on anti-EGW websites. The PDF is available here.
Yes, he does, at times, "commend the pope for addressing the socio-political issues of our time in a responsible way" ... but he says that on such issues, Adventists and Catholics should not be united in their work towards that goal.
Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-doors life. The results of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, the head often decays inwardly. Cancerous humor, which would lay dormant in the system their life-time, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined,…
Some of the things Paul wrote are unacceptable, says Samuele Bacchiocchi.
Please pray for the failure of a legal harassment programme against The Ellen White Research Project, a website that is a huge source of information on the Adventist prophetess Ellen White.
Modern Adventism has corrected itself, and returned to the historical Christian faith taught by the early Christians. Many within Adventism today are objecting to this, and retain some of these anti-Trinitarian teachings ... one of the reasons they cite is that the Adventist church is accepting Catholic doctrines.
"As God has shown me in holy vision ... we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming" (Ellen White, Early Writings, pp. 15, 34, 285).
Since there is an misleading and ongoing thread in various forums about the Catholic Church saying that the Bible is not true, it is appropriate to point out that Adventism, like Catholicism, takes some verses literally, and others it does not take literally. There is no real difference between what each is saying; the difference lies in interpretation, not principle.
Michael Scheifler has a "rebuttal" on his website to something I wrote. He claims that the pope who changed the Sabbath to Sunday was Pope Sylvester I. In light of the teachings of Ellen White, and in light of history – as taught by real historians – this cannot be seen as more than a failed attempt to make the argument seem viable. But it is not viable.
The Clear Word Bible is an Adventist production of the quality of the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Theologically, the post-modernists are correct. Ellen White was not inspired. She made plenty of errors in her writings and in her theology. Adventism is not a remnant any more than the Jehovah's Witnesses are, any more than Herbert Armstrong, Mary Baker Eddy, or Joseph Smith were.
Paulsen appears to be a conservative, going the way of the traditionalists who hold to Ellen White's writings. It's unlikely that he'll reform the Adventist denomination regarding their views on Ellen White - he has not done so thus far. He is looking at liturgy reform, it seems, in his views on church music. At least the views expressed do not go to the extreme Bacchiocchi goes to.
It is a pity that you are only hearing about the bad things about the SDA church. I am not writing this article to argue about anything. I just feel compelled to tell you that I have been a SDA member all my life and my father is an SDA minister and never once has he or any other minister tried to force Ellen White down my throat.
My search for evil in the Catholic Church helped me to find a good instead, and I am soon to began my confirmation process.
I was a third-generation Adventist until 15 years ago when I left and never looked back. I came from a "traditional" Adventist home where I was taught that the Catholic Church was Babylon and the Pope was practically Satan himself. This is pretty typical of traditional SDA teachings, saturated as they are with Ellen White's drivel.
I look forward as always to Easter. I look forward to attending the local Catholic church for the Stations of the Cross Mass. No other church puts that weekend in perspective like the Catholic Church.
Yes, I was raised thinking the Catholics were all going to Hell really fast when Jesus came and that someday the pope was going to get the mark of the beast and persecute us and kill us for keeping the Sabbath. Pretty bad huh? They keep you paranoid and scared from childhood on, still some of it is stuck in my head, I am having a catholic help deprogram me. LOL When I was in high school my best friend was catholic and I remember…
Greetings. I must say that I appreciate what you have to say about how the SDA's treat those in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church in general. Although I am not a member of the Catholic Church, and although I do not see the Catholic Church as "the true church," I am especially sensitive to other Christians, Catholic or otherwise, who are mistreated by the SDA Church.
Recently (the week or so prior to Easter 2004) someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist and alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic posted several messages about Adventism, claiming it was a cult, and listing some of its doctrines. Several Adventists responded with shock, aghast at the way someone could misrepresent their faith in this way.
I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White's book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh's Branch Davidians are in…
From time to time I get some vicious remarks from Adventists who don't want to discuss the Bible, but feel they should take the opportunity to insult those of us who do take it seriously. Here are a few of the best, along with some statements that, without being nasty, demonstrate the real nature of Adventist anti-Catholicism.
The Seventh-day Adventist church teaches that the wine referred to in the Bible as permissible is unfermented grape juice. They claim that the Bible condemns the use of fermented grape juice, and only permits the use of unfermented grape juice. Many Adventists - pastors and laity alike - have questioned this, and gone to the Bible and discovered that this teaching is not found there. Instead, the Bible permits drinking of alcoholic beverages in moderation. But many Adventists, as well as other groups such as…
In my recent discussion with Pastor O, it came up that he teaches that some of Paul's writings are uninspired opinions only - not all of what Paul wrote in the New Testament was the inspired word of God. The pastor did this because he needs to bring the Bible down to the level of his church's founder and prophetess Ellen White, who contradicts the Bible and prophesies falsely on many, many occasions.
Recently I had a discussion with a certain Pastor O of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Copied in below is a section of one e-mail he sent me 29 August 2001. In it he states that some of what Paul wrote is not really inspired, it is merely "opinion."
Please read all of this till the end ... then you'll understand what I am trying to say. ... By giving them a list of damning quotes from well-known Adventist founders and elders from the past, they will see that merely quoting unofficial texts does not prove anything, because they know well that Adventism does not officially teach these things (although many do consider Ellen White to be inspired, and Arianism is certainly on the increase within Adventism.)
If Jesus preserved his Church at all times, and did in fact remain with it at all times as he promised, then the inescapable conclusion is that the Catholic Church of the first, second, third, and later centuries is the Church to which he made these promises. Such a conclusion is unacceptable to the carnal mind, and so several Christians who choose not to accept the biblical authority of the Church have tried to find a way around this. They usually turn to the Albigensians,…
So Ellen Gould White, the prophetess of Seventh Day Adventism, has a name that adds up to 666, and it is the number of a name and not of a title.
Ellen Gould White is a prime candidate. She made many false prophecies which did not come true, and she persisted, as have some of her followers, to confirm what she had said. Many of her writings have been 'edited' by others at a later date so some of the later writings may not agree with the earlier versions word for word.