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Three times the Bible refers to Passover as the Passover of the Jews. John 2:13, John 6:4, John 11:55.
Did Jesus die on a Friday and rise from the dead on a Sunday? Or did he die on a Wednesday or Thursday? And did he rise from the dead on a Saturday?
Pope Francis has demanded and obtained the resignation of the head of another sovereign state, and will appoint his own temporary supervisor until the state elects a new head of state approved by the pope.
With no weekly 7th day sabbath under the New Covenant, Christians chose the most important day of the week to hold as special - Sunday, the day Jesus rose from the dead.
Adventists, and others, dislike the way the Catholic Church has set aside various days of the year for celebrating Jesus Christ. They label such things as "pagan" even if they aren't pagan at all. (The word "pagan" is a synonym for "Catholic" amongst many of this crowd, irrespective of actual religious origins of any practice or teaching.)
To complete the collection of posts I have on the virginity of Mary, I'll address the brothers of Jesus named in the Bible.
Someone emailed me and wrote: "The Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 in the Torah match the Ten Commandments in the KJV and all the protestant bibles. That in itself is proof that the Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments."
While Catholics and Lutherans (and some other Protestants) have agreed that both sides mean the same thing when they use different words, there remains tension with some regarding salvation by faith alone vs salvation by grace alone. Our response to grace is sometimes mistakenly seen by Protestants as being our own works, and therefore of no value to God.
Guest post at the blog Reinventing the Adventist Wheel.
Adventists like to present a fake papal title as evidence that the papacy is linked to the number 666 found in Revelation 13:18.
It has been suggested to me over time that I write a book on Adventism. At last I've put together the more important posts from this blog into an ebook, which is free on this website and on Lulu, and minimally priced on Amazon.
Adventists quote selectively to make it look like many Christians assembled on the sabbath, every sabbath. It's clear from the source documents that they fasted on the sabbath, in memory of Jesus being in the tomb - it wasn't a sabbath observance like the Jews and the Adventists have.
People sometimes complain that the Vatican is rich, and should sell all their stuff and donate the money to the poor. This article shows what drivel that idea is.
By various means, people have calculated that it was 50 days (inclusive) after Passover that the 10 Commandments were give by God to Moses.
Previously I was asked about my understanding of the end times and the correct interpretation of Revelation.
Michael Martling is an Adventist who will be converting to Catholicism this Easter.
Adventists and others accuse Catholics of disobeying Jesus by calling our priests "Father". But the interesting thing is that Ellen White referred to William Miller, the founder of the Millerite movement that started Adventism, as "Father Miller".
The wolves (or donkeys, depicted on the right) cannot read, or don't want to read. They see the words "failure of the cross" and abandon context and honesty in order to promote their nasty agenda. I don't see how any honest person can read the entire paragraph, notice the words "humanly speaking", and misunderstand. The wolves bear false witness. It's what they do.
Mike Senseney wrote the following on a Facebook forum, and he's given permission for me to share this. He's an ex-Adventist who found his way home to the Catholic Church.
Adventism's decision about the ordination of women is not really about the Bible - it's about being part of the world, and that is why Adventism will eventually fall - it's part of the world's need to reject divine authority and do as it pleases, the essence of Protestantism, the itching ear syndrome (2 Timothy 4:3).
It's a current trend to post why one remains Catholic. There are many reasons, but I think mine are mostly historical. I believe that the first century Christians developed into the second century Christians, who developed into the third century Christians, and then into the 4th century Christians. ...
An Adventist is possibly amongst those running for the throne that is arguably the most powerful position in the world. Dr Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr., a retired neurosurgeon and a Republican, is potentially the next US President. And he is a Seventh-day Adventist.
Seventh-day Adventists think that in the end times, they will be persecuted by Sunday-keeping Christians, and by Catholics in particular. Why? Because they think observing the weekly sabbath according to some, but not all, of the Old Testament sabbath laws, will be the test commandment, the test that shows they are the true followers of God.
Adventists baptise only by full immersion (submersion), and they don’t consider other forms of baptism to be real baptisms. They also don’t baptise infants, but that’s another story for another day. As with the Sabbath, Adventism’s doctrine is based on selected texts and not the entire biblical picture. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, recognises all three modes of baptism depicted in the Bible. We baptise by immersion (single or triple) and by pouring, and while we don’t baptise by sprinkling, we recognise its…
Adventism claims to be the chosen remnant church, called out of the rest of Christianity. The identifying sign of the remnant, according to Adventism, is that they keep all 10 commandments. They don't. Officially, Adventism condones abortion. That means, officially, Adventism cannot be the true remnant they claim to be.
Here are some examples from recent Facebook conversations. Discussions are trimmed to include the relevant bits. Disgusting to read, and disgusting to have to deal with regularly. Not all the "Catholic" discussion is mine; where more than one person was involved in the discussion, they are numbered 1 and 2.
I have decided to start up a Facebook group that accompanies this blog. The group is called Catholic discussion of Adventism. This group is for Catholics, not Adventists. The statement of purpose is as follows ...
The short answer, no, but that won't satisfy Adventists and other anti-Catholics. Over at Almost Not Catholic, Brent has a good article debunking Adventist claims - Myth Buster: Constantine Founded the Catholic Church.
Here we look at Catholic explanations, showing that this concept of the 10 Commandments being part of the Old Covenant legal code, and therefore not the legal code in effect today, is indeed believed by Catholics and supported by Catholic teaching.
In the first part of this series, we saw that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 Commandments, that the 10 Commandments are the words of the Old Covenant, and that the Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. In Part 2 we looked at the New Covenant's legal code, and saw that the 10 Commandments are no longer binding as a legal code under the New Covenant. Now we'll look at how the 10 Commandments still apply to Christians.
In the first part of this series, we saw that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 Commandments, that the 10 Commandments are the words of the Old Covenant, and that the Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. Now we'll look at what the New Covenant's legal code is, and what the 10 Commandments are under the New Covenant.
No, Halloween is NOT a pagan holiday adopted by Catholics and passed on to Protestants. That's a myth perpetuated by anti-Catholics and those who, contrary to the Bible, fear what has been offered to pagan gods. So, in reality, Halloween is a safe and fun secular practice with Christian origins. If you don't believe that, or dislike the type of Christian faith it originated in, follow Paul's advice. If you don't feel you can go that far yet, don't complain about those who have a…
If you ask the average Christian, "Should we obey the 10 Commandments?" they will likely say "Yes." Enter the Adventist, who then asks why the average Christian doesn't keep the 4th commandment, which states that we should keep the Sabbath. ... The Decalogue was the actual set of words making up the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was replaced with the New. Even Paul acknowledges that the law written on stone has been replaced.
As the symbol of the Church, and as the first Christian, Mary is now what we will become. She birthed God into the world; we are called to bring God to others. She was sinless; we will be made spotless. She was taken body and soul into heaven; we will ultimately be resurrected and our bodies reunited with our souls in heaven.
"Cathoolic - New Evangelization and Apologetics. Countering "sheep-stealing" from the Catholic Church" Cathoolic is run by Godwin Delali Adadzie from Ghana, and he also runs two other sites on Catholicism - About the Rosary and Are Catholics Christian? He's got a short book on the Rosary - visit his Rosary site to get it for your Kindle / PC / other reader.
Continuing my posts on young Catholic apologists/evangelists, this is part 2 of 3. A young guy called Joseph has a YouTube channel with (currently) 38 videos defending various Catholic teachings. "To all Catholics in good standing with the Church, I hope that you learn something from these videos that will help you in your life later on. To all non-Catholics and cafeteria Catholics, please be opened to the truth and let God show you the correct path."
"New Catholic Generation is an organization composed of all Catholic Teenagers on YouTube testifying to their faith in Jesus Christ." These people are clearly Catholic apologists in their own right. They know what they believe and share it with others. Most Catholic apologists I follow are older than I am. These apologists of the future are probably all just under half my age. If the Jesuits had the vibrance and spirit of these people, the world would be converted in a matter of weeks.
This is a series of e-mails I got from a lady who converted from Anglican to Adventist, spent 20 years as an Adventist, realised how wrong it was, went back to the Anglican church for a while, and then finally converted to the Catholic faith. ... "I have only recently discovered your Catholic help webpage on the net and wish to thank you for your courage in sharing your faith, plus the extensive biblical/Early Church Fathers debunking of SDA teachings re Catholic Christianity, salvation, the…
Catholics (and most other Christians) believe Sunday is a special day to be celebrated, because it is the day Jesus rose from the dead. The Jews kept the Sabbath on Saturday, and this is reflected in the 10 Commandments. However, only the moral code of the Old Testament is applicable to Christians - we don't need to sacrifice animals, keep Passover, Yom Kippur, or the Sabbath, and we are free from the dietary restrictions as well.
When one group of Christians needs to lie about another group of Christians in order to look good and promote their cause, what does that say about them? The commandment not to lie is part of the same set of 10 that contains the commandment to keep the Sabbath. Yet some Sabbath keepers are more than willing to tell lies about the Catholic Church to promote their agenda.
In his new book, Waking Up Catholic, Chad Torgerson describes his journey into the Catholic Church. He discusses how his faith in Christ developed over the years, from Lutheran, to agnostic/atheist, to born-again Protestant, and finally Catholic. Specifically, he brings in how his relationship with Christ was influenced by his study of Catholic teachings and practices, and shows how they can bring one closer to Christ. The book is easy to read, but gets to the point of complex issues remarkably well without becoming too…
As mentioned previously, a priest, Fr Noel, from the Archdiocese of Cape Town recently attended the Latin Mass training course at Ratcliffe College in England, which was organised by the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales. Fr Noel has kindly given me some photos to share.
Adventism is well know for those members and clergy who misrepresent the Catholic faith. Not all Adventists are dishonest, and I've had apologies from Adventists who acknowledge and regret their church's dishonesty. Unfortunately, via Tesa Beem at "It's Okay NOT to be a Seventh-day Adventist", I've seen another example of gross misrepresentation of Catholicism by Adventists.
A priest from the Archdiocese of Cape Town attended the recent training course for the Latin Mass in Ratcliffe College, Leicestershire, UK. More photos will follow, but here are a few from the organisers, used with the permission of Joseph Shaw of the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales.
Adventists, and others such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and those groups continuing Herbert Armstrong’s legacy, often claim that Easter is derived from a pagan festival. In fact, there are two important points to raise in response to them – a) whether or not Easter is pagan, and, for the Armstrong followers, b) which days of the week the Crucifixion and Resurrection were.
The late Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi was influenced by the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, and promoted the observance of Jewish holy days instead of Christian holy days. In his Endtime Issues #43 he rearranges the historical evidence to form a revised version of history to support his arguments. He beautifully provides us with a typical example of how historical evidence is misapplied.
I don't want to become a general Catholic blog, or go into (too much) general apologetics. I want my audience to be a) Catholics who need a defence of their faith specifically from Adventist arguments against Catholicism, and b) Adventists seriously interested in understanding Catholicism and why we don't accept their arguments as sound. I have a few ideas I'm working on for future topics. For the few visitors I get, please mention what you think I could write posts on. Thanks.
The ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople has invited Pope Francis to travel with him to the Holy Land next year to mark the 50th anniversary of the embrace between Patriarch Athenagoras and Pope Paul VI, the pioneers of Catholic-Orthodox dialogue. During their private meeting, Patriarch Bartholomew and Pope Francis explored possible paths towards unity, including theological dialogue, environmental defense, and a visit to the Fanar, after going through proper diplomatic channels.
God said to St Francis of Assisi, "Francis, Francis, go and repair My house which, as you can see, is falling into ruins". So, what needs repair?
Will Pope Francis suppress the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, allowing us only the Ordinary Form, thereby reversing the much-needed liturgical reform? He has that authority. He can bind and loose with the authority given to Peter. But I don't believe he will.
The Southern Cross, the weekly South African Catholic newspaper, has a letter and an article hoping for something that will not happen. ... Abandon the Sign of the Cross? ... Deus avertat! Hopefully they will recognise that we need another Pope Benedict. We need orthodoxy.
A controversy arise, initiated by me, disputing his claims. The Gregorian University initially disputed all of the above. Later they were shown to be wrong on some important points, but several matters still remain unresolved, and unfortunately are perpetuated in Adventist / Sabbatarian circles, and in copies of his book.
The Catholic Church consists, currently, of 23 different Churches sui iuris. "Sui iuris" means autonomous, although all are united under the leadership of the Pope. Each Church is known as a particular Church, and the Pope, in addition to being leader of all 23, also has the authority over the Latin Church that the Patriarchs have over their sui iuris Churches. All except the Latin Church are Eastern Churches. Not all Churches have Patriarchs - some have Major Archbishops, some Metropolitans, and the rest have…
I remember exactly where I was on the evening of Tuesday April 19 2005. I was in Parow, in a Pick 'n Pay grocery store, near the frozen meat isle, and got a call from my mother. I was absolutely thrilled. The cardinal I had been inspired by for several years, and respected tremendously, and whom I hoped would be pope, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.
Arthur and Teresa Beem are ex-Adventists who became Catholic. They have a book, which I blogged on previously and I will eventually move that post to this new blog. Very, very good and insightful book. They have two blogs which I highly recommend.
On 28 April 2009, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI left his pallium lying on the tomb of Pope St Celestine V. At the time there was speculation that this indicated that Pope Benedict XVI would follow in the footsteps of Pope St Celestine V. Pope St Celestine V resigned on 13 December 1294. He had been pope for 5 months. There was no pope for two years prior to that - the election that resulted in him becoming pope took 27 months. 11 Cardinals participated…
This is a very sad day for the Catholic Church, but it was inevitable that his reign come to an end. He has been a tremendous force in bringing the Church back in line, and turning people back to God. I don't think he will lose his status as my favourite pope. He is my 4th pope - I was born in the reign of Pope Paul VI, who was followed by Pope John Paul I, and then Pope John Paul II.
One common dispute against the Catholic Church by well meaning but misinformed Protestants is the assertion that the Catholic Church “added” books to the Bible. As it is commonly known, Protestant Bibles only contain 66 books, as they do not include Sirach, Baruch, Judith, Tobit, Wisdom, 1 and 2 Maccabees, as well as parts of Esther and Daniel. In this two part series, with part two coming out next week, I hope to provide some guidance on defending the original 73 book canon of the…
These comments were originally posted in the comments section of Dr Francis Beckwith comes home. They have been moved here. This is an example of a futile debate with an Adventist who only wishes to preach at Catholics. This is one of the reasons Adventists have little credibility with other Christians.
I am tired. Hence the long break between posts. I am do tired. And I wish the above comment would come true. Then I might have more energy. I dread the election of the next pope. What if he's not another Benedict?
Over at Answering Catholicism, Erol is making some interesting claims about the Catholic Church. Apart from subscribing to the long discredited Vicarius Filii Dei = papal title myth, he has a number of less unreasonable articles about Catholicism, to which he objects.
As Christ said that the truth will set us free, and it has often been said that when people discover what the Catholic faith is really about, instead of hearing what their tradition wants them to believe about it, they will come to love it for what it is instead of hating and fearing what it isn't.
I experienced the most recent Endtime Issues as the most extreme narrow-mindedness I have ever seen come out of Bacchiocchi's keyboard. I know he isn't saying that we must forget the life issues - he's not saying anything. But the message I get is the same - "Thou shalt not kill" is ignored, and "The Pope and Islam are your two worst nightmares" seems to be presented as the key issue in the coming election.
Hi I am curious and am searching on why should we keep the Sunday worship. That is the only question I want to know can you please tell me the answer. I'm not good with the computer So please can you explain.
Teresa and Arthur Beem resigned from the Adventist denomination in 2002. Their resignation letter was made public and was widely discussed in cyberspace. Since then, they have written a book to let people know about their experience in, and leaving, the Adventist movement. This is their continuing saga.
There are a few comments going on at the end of one of my posts, mainly regarding closed communion and Catholic sacraments being available to non-Catholics. This post was created to continue those discussions, and served to only result in further topics being discussed - see below.
I have been invited to be a contributor on one of the progressive Adventist blogs out there in the Adventist blogosphere - Re-inventing the Adventist Wheel. God's visible grace is the title of my first post there. Quite a debate ensued here and there.
Dr Francis Beckwith, current president of the Evangelical Theological Society, has converted back to Catholicism.
Recently, the Vatican's International Theological Commission allegedly released a document indicating that Limbo, the place where unbaptised babies go after death, may be restrictive, and that there are good reasons to hope that they might be in heaven.
I've been waiting years to hear this most logical 14 Nisan crucifixion timing from a Catholic priest. And now I hear it from the pope himself. I always get given the 15 Nisan story. The explanation above goes a long way to explain why the Wednesday crucifixion theory of Herbert Armstrong is wrong, so ironically it was Herbert Armstrong who was adamant that Jesus died on 14 Nisan.
Adventism seems to like sticking up anti-Catholic billboards. This time it was an Adventist spin-off denomination, Eternal Gospel Church. This was around the beginning of February, and commented on at Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam.
Lent has changed in the past, it can change again. It's not dogma. It's just a practice. When I become Pope I'll have to change things to my preferred Lenten calendrics. Until then, we'll be confused.
"Could there be a way we Adventists can overcome the spectre of indiscriminate anti-Catholicism and embrace of the spirit of Ash Wednesday?"
On some issues, Bergami was wrong. On the rest, it seems that Bacchiocchi will let them go. In light of this, I apologise to Samuele Bacchiocchi for the trouble my inquiries have caused him. My questions were justified, and brought greater clarity as to the relationship between his thesis, his promotors, and the Catholic Church. But I never wished for someone to provide misleading information the way Barbara Bergami did. What her motivations were, and how well she investigated the matter, are not known. How…
"I suggest that we tend to confuse the beginning of the faith journey with its entirety. Yes, believe in Jesus—that's the first step. Yes, invite Jesus into your heart as your personal Savior. Then, empowered by God's grace, embark on the journey of discipleship, in which you seek to love God with every fiber of your being, to love your neighbor as yourself, to live out God's moral will, and to follow Jesus where he leads you, whatever the cost."
The date for Easter, as most people know it, is calculated according to rules defined by the Catholic Church centuries ago. Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Dutch Reformed, and other Protestant churches that celebrate Lent, a 40 day preparation before Easter, along with most Catholics, keep Lent the way most people know it.
Sometimes Catholic English and Protestant English use different definitions for the same words. If people want to understand each other, that is am important factor to take into account. You can't judge a statement unless you know what was intended by it.
In summary, Jesus paid the full price for our sins. That is the atonement, which relates to justification. But he did not take away the chastisement necessary for our growth as Christians. That is sanctification, and Catholics call its completion purgatory - they are one and the same thing. So there is no conflict at all with the atonement achieved for us by Christ. That atonement is not what we complete by sanctification.
Adventists tell us that the Bible commands Sabbath keeping for Christians. All the verses mentioning the Sabbath in the New Testament (apart from the Gospels) are discussed [link]. Not one commands Sabbath observance, and not one gives an example of Christians keeping the Sabbath.
A few interesting comments on Adventism and prophecy ...
On the XCG blog, Jared has compiled an extremely detailed analysis of Bacchiocchi's two responses to the Gregorian Controversy. What interests me the most is the Imprimi Potest. There is a detailed discussion of the Imprimatur/Imprimi Potest at XCG, comment 91. How did it turn into an Imprimatur?
A group of monkeys attacked the Orthodox monastery at Mount Athos in Greece with crowbars and sledgehammers on Wednesday.
If Gregorian has been telling the truth about the Bacchiocchi issue, then the outcome is clear - Bacchiocchi will be put in perspective, and Gregorian retains respect. On the other hand, if Gregorian has NOT been telling the truth ... what then?
Bacchiocchi says his submission to Gregorian and Bishop Murray will be ready in about 10 days.
Our Lady of the Atonement Catholic Church is the first Anglican Use parish, established on August 15, 1983. They now have a blog, in addition to their website.
Michael Schiefler has been trying to squeeze more water out of a stone on his anti-Catholic website. I commented on it before. He seems to think he has the name of the Pope that changed the Sabbath to Sunday nailed down - Pope Sylvester I. Scheifler is basing his claims on second-hand information based on what are probably spurious documents.
The Eastern Orthodox Churches often object to the western / Catholic concept of original sin. The SDA2RC blog lists two excellent articles by Orthodox authors about why this may simply be a misunderstanding of terminology, with both sides quite compatible in their beliefs.
The prophecies in Daniel are one part of the Bible that Adventists love to interpret to their heart's content ... and to misinterpret. Daniel provides Adventism with a lot to fuel their anti-Catholic desires. And when you don't accept their interpretation of the prophecies, they often want an alternative interpretation.
Federal Judge Says San Francisco's Labeling of Catholics as "Hateful" is Constitutional.
Bacchiocchi's Response to False Allegations Pt 2 has been posted on-line by Bacchiocchi. One has to wade through a lot of information, such as recommendations for his book, that really do nothing to prove his side of the story. If you cut it down to the necessary facts, does he really provide solid evidence? He provides a good case. But a lot of it remains unverified. His explanation of the process of publishing his thesis is convincing. Does anyone out there have a copy of…
Obviously, then, the challenge to the Catholic comes on several fronts; first, we must examine the argument that the seventh-day Sabbath was truly "given as a sign forever, and a perpetual covenant"; next, we must show from Scripture that the apostles did, in fact, worship on Sunday; finally, we have to answer the accusation that it was a pope (or council) who imposed the change, and that this was not done until (at the earliest) the mid-to-late 4th century.
Common Declaration by Pope Benedict XVI and Patriarch Bartholomew I “This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it!” (Ps 117:24) This fraternal encounter which brings us together, Pope Benedict XVI of Rome and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, is God’s work, and in a certain sense his gift. We give thanks to the Author of all that is good, who allows us once again, in prayer and in dialogue, to express the joy we feel as brothers…
Today Bacchiocchi published the first part of his response to their allegations in his Endtime Issues newsletter number 159, which can be found on his website. In the next, I hope to see his explanation of a) the imprimatur, b) the continued use of the imprimatur on an edition for which it was not obtained, c) the use of the name of Gregorian University Press on newer editions in a way that looks official, and d) evidence of the initial publication by them.
Lutheran and Roman Catholic members of the dialogue "concurred that prayers for the dead have their basis in Scripture and tradition, and that heaven is not a place of rejoicing individually in the Lord but of our being 'together' with him and with one another in joyful communion," said the Rev. James Massa, executive director, USCCB Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs.
Samuele Bacchiocchi has said that he will be posting scanned images of his certificates on his website as part of a statement against the allegations made by Gregorian University regarding his credentials and claims about his PhD and his dissertation. We all hope to see that statement soon, but while we wait, here are a few scanned images he sent me a while back.
Which chapter of his full dissertation did Samuele Bacchiocchi publish for the purposes of obtaining his PhD? I.e. the Tesina, published in 1975. He claims that one chapter was published. He claims that three chapters were published. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 5. He claims that the published chapter was chapter 7. He claims that the published chapter was in fact three chapters - the first three chapters. He claims that the Tesina was 117 pages long. He claims that the Tesina…
Adventists are true Protestants in the sense that they protest whatever is Catholic. Catholics believe that the mother of Jesus, Mary, had no other children apart from Jesus. Some Adventists, therefore, make it an article of faith, a doctrine, that Mary did indeed have other children.
Two other blogs have taken up the topic of Samuele Bacchiocchi's credentials and the allegations that they are not what he says they are. Gregorian University apparently denies that he got his PhD summa cum laude, that he received any medals, that his book was given an imprimatur, and that they printed it.
It looks like the controversy surrounding Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi's claims regarding his credentials and his thesis have once again sparked discussion. So, finally, after more than 2 years, Bacchiocchi is going to make a formal statement. It will certainly be interesting. Will he be able to provide verification for any claims he makes in his statement, any images he produces? Will the authenticity of any documentation he produces remain in question, or be resolved? Will Gregorian respond, or will they relegate him to the…
Richard Kissell's previous e-mail from about 2 years ago: Apparently he had the same attitude then as he has now.
Yes, he does, at times, "commend the pope for addressing the socio-political issues of our time in a responsible way" ... but he says that on such issues, Adventists and Catholics should not be united in their work towards that goal.
"The modern widespread majority Protestant view on the Matthew verse agrees with the Roman Catholic view, and disagreements about primacy stem from doctrinal sources, and disagreements such as disagreements over the identification of Simon Peter with the Pope."
The following debate on alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic shows how people often misunderstand the concept of Mary being the Mother of God.
The idea that Jesus was not a biological child of Mary is a novelty not supported by the Bible, and merely a reactionary stance.
There are two well-known quote from Socrates' Ecclesiastical History. I am sure most Adventists and those who have come across what they teach are familiar with them. By taking away context, they hide the truth that these were not Sabbath keepers, but Sunday keepers who had retained the Sabbath as a custom.
The Orthodox share with Catholicism most of the teachings that Catholicism and Protestantism disagree on. Mary, her sinlessness, her body taken up into heaven, the Eucharist being literally the physical body and blood of Christ, asking saints in heaven to pray for us, Apostolic succession, the liturgical expression of our faith, 46 books in the Old Testament instead of the Protestant 39 (actually, some Orthodox have more.) And so it goes on. On issues such as Mary and Purgatory, they tend to share the same…
If the truth gets attacked, and those preaching and preserving it get attacked, the rest of us need to defend it. That can happen in different ways - and a website showing why Adventism is wrong about its claims about Catholicism is one way of doing that. If we don't, we lose people to the traps set by those outside, and unbelievers get to laugh anyway.
Dies Domini "is a internet research center, dedicated to promoting an ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Seventh-day Adventists. Founded by former Adventists who embraced the Catholic faith, this ministry exists to glorify Christ in faithful service of His Church."
That sounds similar to the doctrine of Theosis, taught by the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and the Eastern Catholic Churches. Western Catholicism doesn't give it much attention as far as the use of the term divinisation goes, and the Eastern part carries it over from their Orthodox heritage. If you see a difference between divinisation and deification, Theosis refers to the former ... some people see a difference, some people consider them perfect synonyms. See below - probably equivalent to the Protestant concept of sanctification.
Rom 4:1, James 2:21, Luke 1:73, and Acts 7:2 have Abraham being called a father, in an ancestral/spiritual sense. Rom 4:16 has Abraham called the "father of us all." Isaac is called "our father Isaac" in Rom 9. Timothy's father was a Greek, says Acts 16. That's not metaphorical or figurative. Yet this man was called Timothy's father, when Timothy was a Christian whose father was God. 1 Cor 4:15 has Paul calling himself a father in a spiritual sense.
He chopped out the word "commandments" in Exodus 16:28, and replaced it with "Sabbaths" - he may well be quoting from the Clear Word Bible, but I am not sure of that. The Clear Word Bible is an Adventist composition that makes tremendous changes to the actual text in order to support Adventist teachings.
Adventists often make the claim that Catholicism claims to have changed the Sabbath. They then cite their proof - unofficial texts, usually newspaper quotes, statements that disagree with the official Catholic position. This is a classic Adventist ploy. I've discussed it further here. Without that, Adventism can't pinpoint which pope they claim changed the Sabbath.
If people are not willing to be civil, to engage in reasonable discussion, I'm not interested. I have no time for rhetoric and misguided propaganda. How can they claim to be answering Catholicism when they aren't able to even represent its teachings properly when they disagree with them? They can serve as an example ... that's all such a discussion can do. So here it is.
In summary, this seems to be a denomination on the very fringe of Christianity, even further out than the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, who also have a peculiar set of beliefs. They appear to be Oneness Pentecostals ... who, in my experience, are not good at honesty when it comes to Catholicism and others they disagree with.
It looks like there is a strong case for the Catholic origins of modern democracy. Modern democracy can be traced back to Catholic roots, and was not the product of the reformation. There is convincing evidence that Thomas Jefferson, , knew of the political teachings of Robert Bellarmine, a Catholic Cardinal. Even before Bellarmine, a Jesuit, Thomas Aquinas taught the idea.
Here we see a case of a girl being denied the Eucharist because of coeliac disease. In short, she cannot eat wheat-based products, which means that, in the Catholic Church, it can range from uncomfortable to potentially lethal to take communion in this form.
A post on the Fifth Column blog, Pagan Flesh, Protestant Bones, caught my attention the other day. It suggests that Protestant anti-Catholic tendencies are what have resulted in the current attempt by secularists in America to wipe Christmas from the calendar. They were the first to attack Christmas; the anti-Christians are just finishing what they started. He has another article on that particular topic here - How the Christians Stole Christmas.
Here is an interesting - and detailed - letter of resignation from the Adventist church. Tesa Beem's Letter of Resignation
The Adventist Review's response (by David Marshall) to The Da Vinci Code is critical of the book/movie, but still continues on to agree with it on matters that have long formed part of Adventist mythology.
On AllExperts, there are two useful articles on the Sabbath and soul sleep, by a Catholic responding to Adventist questions.
Samuele Bacchiocchi's book "From Sabbath to Sunday" attempts to discredit the claims of Protestants and Catholics that Sunday observance is an Apostolic institution, and promotes the idea that it was a later Catholic development. In his latest newsletter, Bacchiocchi mentions that his alma mater, the Gregorian University, has negated several of his claims about his credentials.
Our first list of New Testament books that includes all the books we use today comes from the Catholic bishop Athanasius, who was instrumental in defining the Trinity as doctrine at the Council of Nicaea in 324-5 AD. This was also the first list to exclude texts not considered as canonical today.
Modern Adventism has corrected itself, and returned to the historical Christian faith taught by the early Christians. Many within Adventism today are objecting to this, and retain some of these anti-Trinitarian teachings ... one of the reasons they cite is that the Adventist church is accepting Catholic doctrines.
In his latest Endtime Issues newsletter, Samuele Bacchiocchi makes an error that has been corrected many times in the past. One shouldn't have to point out such facts to a scholar who claims to have researched issues like this, but then one must take his agenda into account.
There seems to be silence now from the Lawless front ... no further groans from his flock. No further defence of his attitude. I think they are ashamed ... either that, or too busy finding other people to call devils.
My message to anti-Catholics: Leave aside your objections to Catholic theology for a moment, and try to understand what Catholics actually believe. Otherwise you're just arguing against something we don't believe, and we remain unconvinced. That is what happens with 99% of the fundamentalist attempts to "witness" to Catholics. SermonAudio is a prime example.
Mark Lawless's church is NOT representative of Christianity. In fact, this type of church is very much in the minority. Unfortunately, their hatred of anything different to them leads them to be more vocal than most. And, equally unfortunately, all denominations have this type.
Karl Keating's website, Catholic Answers, has a good article on relics and why they are not some sort of mystical nonsense invented by Catholics or adopted from pagans. Quite biblical in fact. This refers back to a recent post commenting on Bacchiocchi's latest newsletter.
Sadly, some Adventists do not celebrate Christmas. They associate it with Catholicism, and therefore consider it to be a corrupt expression of our Christian faith. ... I wish all Adventists and non-Adventists a very blessed Christmas this 25 December - the sending of Our Lord - as they celebrate the Incarnation.
Adventists often complain because Catholics count the ten commandments differently, and claim that we have changed things. Here is an Adventist commentary that explains that how they are counted is not important. So if we count it the (western) Catholic way, it's fine. If we count it the (eastern) Catholic way, like Adventists, it's also fine.
The Catholic Church is often called the Whore of Babylon by those who oppose her. But this cannot be, for several reasons. She does not fit the picture painted in Revelation, even though some claim she does.
Often one sees Adventists quoting Catholic sources to show that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Usually these quotes are either from sources that are not real sources of Catholic teaching (e.g. newspapers) while others are taken out of context.
Michael Scheifler has a "rebuttal" on his website to something I wrote. He claims that the pope who changed the Sabbath to Sunday was Pope Sylvester I. In light of the teachings of Ellen White, and in light of history – as taught by real historians – this cannot be seen as more than a failed attempt to make the argument seem viable. But it is not viable.
Adventists and others often use the following verse to show that Catholics are wrong in saying that the souls of the dead can go to heaven immediately after death: (Joh 3:13 KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
That is very much a Catholic principle (Catholic means universal) for which Catholicism has, at times, been criticised by patriotic American Protestants. It's good to see that Bacchiocchi, and Adventist leaders at the General Conference, have recognised the truth in the Catholic position.
Dennis Embo is a Catholic who was once Catholic, then joined the Worldwide Church of God, and then returned home to the Catholic faith. See Google Books or Catholic Exchange for a brief excerpt.
Doctor Bacchiocchi, don't confuse type and antitype. Don't try to prove your Sabbath theology by discrediting the New Testament's fulfilment of the Old by means of false dichotomies used to water down the prophetic fulfilment of David's words in Christ.
The papacy features a lot in Adventist prophecy, and it's not surprising that Dr Bacchiocchi has taken the opportunity of the death of Pope John Paul II and the election of Pope Benedict XVI to promote Adventism's anti-Catholic views. But this statement of his shows his extreme ignorance of the two men.
William Johnsson here confuses the priesthood of Christ with the pastoral role of the clergy, who act as Christ's representatives. That is a completely biblical concept. The human clergy do not replace Christ in any way - and both types of priesthood are identified in the New Testament, as well as a third - the universal priesthood of the individual believer.
What I find most compelling about Catholicism though is why it has drawn such ire from SDA's. Though Adventists have issue with all other religions in general, none is held in as much contempt as Catholism. Knowing that seventh day adventism is founded on and fueled by satanic dreams, visions, and teachings leads me to conclude that their most hated rival must be founded on and fueled by the One True God.
I was shocked to find out that nothing I had learned as an SDA about Catholics was true. Not one thing! I had spend the better part of my formative years having nightmares about Catholics murdering my family and my running as they were pursuing me to kill me as well. ... As I went through RCIA and did my own private study of the faith ...
It is a pity that you are only hearing about the bad things about the SDA church. I am not writing this article to argue about anything. I just feel compelled to tell you that I have been a SDA member all my life and my father is an SDA minister and never once has he or any other minister tried to force Ellen White down my throat.
My search for evil in the Catholic Church helped me to find a good instead, and I am soon to began my confirmation process.
I was a third-generation Adventist until 15 years ago when I left and never looked back. I came from a "traditional" Adventist home where I was taught that the Catholic Church was Babylon and the Pope was practically Satan himself. This is pretty typical of traditional SDA teachings, saturated as they are with Ellen White's drivel.
I look forward as always to Easter. I look forward to attending the local Catholic church for the Stations of the Cross Mass. No other church puts that weekend in perspective like the Catholic Church.
Greetings. I must say that I appreciate what you have to say about how the SDA's treat those in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church in general. Although I am not a member of the Catholic Church, and although I do not see the Catholic Church as "the true church," I am especially sensitive to other Christians, Catholic or otherwise, who are mistreated by the SDA Church.
... by Dan Severino, circa 2004 – I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God. I returned to the Catholic Church about a year and a half ago. My mother is a member of one of the branches of this organization and the attached article is a rough draft I'm sending her to explain the Catholic position. ... This paper will, as clearly as I am capable, explain the Catholic position. I will use Catholic documents; e.g. the Catechism of the…
Recently (the week or so prior to Easter 2004) someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist and alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic posted several messages about Adventism, claiming it was a cult, and listing some of its doctrines. Several Adventists responded with shock, aghast at the way someone could misrepresent their faith in this way.
The Sabbath command is the only one of the Ten Commandments which can be altered in any way, because only it is a part of the ceremonial law. This is taught by the Roman Catechism issued after the Council of Trent: "The other commandments of the Decalogue are precepts of the natural law, obligatory at all times [and for all people] and unalterable. Hence, after the abrogation of the Law of Moses, all the Commandments contained in the two tables are observed by Christians, not…
I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White's book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh's Branch Davidians are in…
From time to time I get some vicious remarks from Adventists who don't want to discuss the Bible, but feel they should take the opportunity to insult those of us who do take it seriously. Here are a few of the best, along with some statements that, without being nasty, demonstrate the real nature of Adventist anti-Catholicism.
Why is this the case? Pam H, and all other Adventists who are so willing to attack Catholicism backed up only by myths and propaganda they hear in anti-Catholic sermons and read in grossly inaccurate tracts passed out on street corners - why are you willing to insult, ridicule, and slander something and then refuse to engage in any form of mature discussion when your views are questioned?
If I understand the Catholic position correctly, they say the Pope did not change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday. They contend this was done by the Apostolic Church and there is no record of a "Pope" making the change, but it was done on authority of the Catholic Church.
If Jesus preserved his Church at all times, and did in fact remain with it at all times as he promised, then the inescapable conclusion is that the Catholic Church of the first, second, third, and later centuries is the Church to which he made these promises. Such a conclusion is unacceptable to the carnal mind, and so several Christians who choose not to accept the biblical authority of the Church have tried to find a way around this. They usually turn to the Albigensians,…
Prof Samuele Bacchiocchi is one of the Adventist Church's leading scholars. Recently he has written a response to the papal encyclical Dies Domini (The Day of the Lord). In this essay I have responded briefly to some of his claims. I have not done an exhaustive study on the matter, as time does not permit that. Perhaps that will come in time.
So Ellen Gould White, the prophetess of Seventh Day Adventism, has a name that adds up to 666, and it is the number of a name and not of a title.
In what follows, I would like to try to prove two things - a) the three tribes were NOT defeated by the papacy, and were NOT the only three tribes to be defeated like they were, and b) the most essential part of this SDA prophetic scenario will be debunked when it is shown that the neither the Western Roman Empire, nor the nations of Western Europe, fit into the "10 horn" image of Daniel/Revelation. Because there were NOT 10 "horns" or kingdoms in this…
By Bob Stanley ... Laughable answers I have received to my legitimate email questions ... with a few laughable remarks thrown in...
… by Bob Stanley Fords and Chevys So you went out and purchased an old used car, and soon after, it had a problem. You did not have the money to have a mechanic fix it so you decided to fix it yourself. Not knowing anything about that brand of car,you purchased a repair manual for another brand, from a friend because he owned the store. You read the manual from cover to cover and found out it did not help you much at all…
Apostolic Letter Dies Domini of the Holy Father John Paul II to the Bishops, Clergy and Faithful of the Catholic Church on keeping the Lord's Day holy
... by Patrick Madrid, Editor-in-Chief, Envoy Magazine ... Do we need any more proof that apologetics is fun? Well, here's more. When I wrote my article "Pope Fiction" (March/April 1998), I knew it might rile some people, and it did. Shortly after it appeared, I received a letter from a Mr. Allan Drisko. He didn't care for my piece, especially my refutation of the 666 nonsense sometimes used against the papacy.