Catholicism and Adventism

Nov 27 2003

Adventist Review’s indirect admission of Ellen White’s errors

I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White’s book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh’s Branch Davidians are in ours. Were they heretics or martyrs? Could they be both?

Nov 27 2003

Acts 13 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

Yes, Acts 13 is referring to a Sabbath service, but look where the service is! Is this a Christian service, organised by Christians, for Christian worship? Or is this a Jewish service, organised by Jews, for the usual synagogue service that had been going on in the synagogues for decades prior to Christ’s lifetime? … Where does Acts 13 use the word “worship” in relation to the actions of Paul? Nowhere – not one of the words used indicates worship by Paul. The text of Acts 13 itself demonstrates that Paul is NOT observing the Sabbath. The assumption that his presence in the synagogues on the Sabbath means his observance of it as a holy day is a mistake Sabbatarians make because they want to find texts where the Apostles keep the Sabbath. In fact, there are NO such texts in the entire Bible!

Nov 27 2003

Acts 1 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

Many Adventists continue the principle of the Pharisees that dictates how far one may walk on the sabbath before one is considered to have “worked.” Apart from places where the term “sabbath day’s journey” is used, they have no support for this in the Bible.

Nov 27 2003

1 Cor 16:2 – regular first day services?

1 Cor 16:2 is quite good evidence for regular Sunday observance. It shows that every week – regularly, weekly – on a certain day, the people collected money for mission work done by Paul. This day was the first day of the week. The passage does not directly state that there are worship services on the first day of the week, but one can deduce from the context that this had to be so. The money was brought together weekly to one place – when else but the weekly day of worship? What better day to collect such donations than the day on which the Christians came together as a group? If they kept the Sabbath, then this would have been the Sabbath. But it was Sunday Paul chose, which indicates that Sunday was an easier day to collect things into one place than the Sabbath was.

Oct 08 2003

Adventist anti-Catholic hatred is alive and well

From time to time I get some vicious remarks from Adventists who don’t want to discuss the Bible, but feel they should take the opportunity to insult those of us who do take it seriously. Here are a few of the best, along with some statements that, without being nasty, demonstrate the real nature of Adventist anti-Catholicism.

Oct 08 2003

Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day?

To walk too far on the Sabbath was to break the Sabbath, and Christians should pray not to break the Sabbath by having to flee Jerusalem on that day. … He, who permitted the saving of a sheep’s life on the Sabbath by pulling it from a pit, who told the paralysed man to get up and carry away his bed on the Sabbath, said we should pray not to have to break the Sabbath by saving our own lives?

Feb 09 2003

An analysis of an essay by the Adventist pastor/sociologist Dr Frank Steyn

Dr Frank Steyn, PhD, sociologist, and previously SDA pastor in the Columbia Union within the Ohio Conference. I receive several items of hate mail at times from Adventists who simply cannot stomach what my website has to say. They accuse me of all sorts of things, but few of them ever actually quote the Bible for me, and usually they just rant on with anti-Catholic propaganda that has no basis in history or rational thinking.

Feb 01 2003

Spiteful remarks from Dr Frank Steyn, an Adventist pastor/sociologist

I have posted 3 e-mails here, from a Dr Frank Steyn. Note that all he was willing to do was insult. No response with reasoned arguments from the Bible or other sources. At present he has started debating, but does not stick to one topic or discuss one concept in full, and after each reply I send, he changes to a new topic. Topic hopping and verse hopping are common among Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses and others whose doctrines are not firmly based on the Bible.

Jan 26 2003

Why a bishop may not drink grape juice

The Seventh-day Adventist church teaches that the wine referred to in the Bible as permissible is unfermented grape juice. They claim that the Bible condemns the use of fermented grape juice, and only permits the use of unfermented grape juice. Many Adventists – pastors and laity alike – have questioned this, and gone to the Bible and discovered that this teaching is not found there. Instead, the Bible permits drinking of alcoholic beverages in moderation. But many Adventists, as well as other groups such as certain Baptists, continue this teaching.

Nov 28 2001

Another SDA, Pam, attacks the truth but refuses to discuss the Bible

Why is this the case? Pam H, and all other Adventists who are so willing to attack Catholicism backed up only by myths and propaganda they hear in anti-Catholic sermons and read in grossly inaccurate tracts passed out on street corners – why are you willing to insult, ridicule, and slander something and then refuse to engage in any form of mature discussion when your views are questioned?

Nov 05 2001

Constantine, the Papacy, and the real origins of Sunday

If I understand the Catholic position correctly, they say the Pope did not change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday. They contend this was done by the Apostolic Church and there is no record of a “Pope” making the change, but it was done on authority of the Catholic Church.

Sep 14 2001

Adventist pastor gives an example of uninspired statements by Paul in the Bible

In my recent discussion with Pastor O, it came up that he teaches that some of Paul’s writings are uninspired opinions only – not all of what Paul wrote in the New Testament was the inspired word of God. The pastor did this because he needs to bring the Bible down to the level of his church’s founder and prophetess Ellen White, who contradicts the Bible and prophesies falsely on many, many occasions.

Sep 13 2001

Adventist pastor – Bible contains truth, but also “opinion”

Recently I had a discussion with a certain Pastor O of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Copied in below is a section of one e-mail he sent me 29 August 2001. In it he states that some of what Paul wrote is not really inspired, it is merely “opinion.”

Aug 27 2001

An example of how facts can be twisted to bear false witness

Please read all of this till the end … then you’ll understand what I am trying to say. … By giving them a list of damning quotes from well-known Adventist founders and elders from the past, they will see that merely quoting unofficial texts does not prove anything, because they know well that Adventism does not officially teach these things (although many do consider Ellen White to be inspired, and Arianism is certainly on the increase within Adventism.)

Dec 10 1999

Albigensians, Waldensians, and Ellen White

If Jesus preserved his Church at all times, and did in fact remain with it at all times as he promised, then the inescapable conclusion is that the Catholic Church of the first, second, third, and later centuries is the Church to which he made these promises. Such a conclusion is unacceptable to the carnal mind, and so several Christians who choose not to accept the biblical authority of the Church have tried to find a way around this. They usually turn to the Albigensians, Waldenses, and other heretical sects to try to find a “true church” outside of Catholicism, but always in existence. If they can’t find such a church, they must either accept Catholicism, or consider Jesus to be a liar.

Apr 25 1999

Dies Domini – a response to Samuele Bacchiocchi

Prof Samuele Bacchiocchi is one of the Adventist Church’s leading scholars. Recently he has written a response to the papal encyclical Dies Domini (The Day of the Lord). In this essay I have responded briefly to some of his claims. I have not done an exhaustive study on the matter, as time does not permit that. Perhaps that will come in time.

Sep 17 1998

Seventh-day Adventists and 666

So Ellen Gould White, the prophetess of Seventh Day Adventism, has a name that adds up to 666, and it is the number of a name and not of a title.

Sep 17 1998

Following the False Prophet

Ellen Gould White is a prime candidate. She made many false prophecies which did not come true, and she persisted, as have some of her followers, to confirm what she had said. Many of her writings have been ‘edited’ by others at a later date so some of the later writings may not agree with the earlier versions word for word.

Sep 14 1998

Did the papacy really uproot the 3 horns of Daniel 7:8,24?

In what follows, I would like to try to prove two things – a) the three tribes were NOT defeated by the papacy, and were NOT the only three tribes to be defeated like they were, and b) the most essential part of this SDA prophetic scenario will be debunked when it is shown that the neither the Western Roman Empire, nor the nations of Western Europe, fit into the “10 horn” image of Daniel/Revelation. Because there were NOT 10 “horns” or kingdoms in this area at this time, it is totally ridiculous to say that these 15-20 nations represent a 10-horned beast !!! Without that, none of the SDA’s claims can be applied to the papacy, simply because they have found the papacy in entirely the wrong place, and have grossly misunderstood what the Bible, specifically the book of Daniel, is saying. It is obvious to me from the study I have made into the SDA theory that the SDA Church simply has no clue about what the facts really are.

Sep 04 1998

Laughable answers I have received to my legitimate email questions

By Bob Stanley … Laughable answers I have received to my legitimate email questions … with a few laughable remarks thrown in…

Adventist Review’s indirect admission of Ellen White’s errors

Acts 13 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

Acts 1 – do Christians keep the Sabbath in Acts?

1 Cor 16:2 – regular first day services?

Adventist anti-Catholic hatred is alive and well

Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day?

An analysis of an essay by the Adventist pastor/sociologist Dr Frank Steyn

Spiteful remarks from Dr Frank Steyn, an Adventist pastor/sociologist

Why a bishop may not drink grape juice

Another SDA, Pam, attacks the truth but refuses to discuss the Bible

Constantine, the Papacy, and the real origins of Sunday

Adventist pastor gives an example of uninspired statements by Paul in the Bible

Adventist pastor – Bible contains truth, but also “opinion”

An example of how facts can be twisted to bear false witness

Albigensians, Waldensians, and Ellen White

Dies Domini – a response to Samuele Bacchiocchi

Seventh-day Adventists and 666

Following the False Prophet

Did the papacy really uproot the 3 horns of Daniel 7:8,24?

Laughable answers I have received to my legitimate email questions

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