Closed Communion and Catholic sacraments

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There are a few comments going on at the end of one of my posts, mainly regarding closed communion and Catholic sacraments being available to non-Catholics.

It’s the Re-Inventing the Adventist Wheel post … and I hope to get another one up on that blog by the end of the weekend.

See that post for discussions regarding closed communion.  This post was created to continue those discussions, and served to only result in further topics being discussed – see below.

Comments imported from the old blog:

Posted by stephen on July 3, 2007, 10:03 pm
I’ll probably stop commenting … it doesn’t seem to do much good. Maybe others here or elsewhere can explain things better than I can.

I hadn’t realised it was so long since I’d posted something here. Work has been busy – very.

Posted by Jared Olar on July 4, 2007, 2:01 pm
I just figured you were having so much fun at the “Reinventing” weblog that you didn’t have time to post anything here.

Posted by stephen on July 4, 2007, 5:37 pm
No … but I do have a post to put there in the next day or so.

Posted by tebach abraham on July 9, 2007, 6:11 pm
when ever there is an attempt to make clearer the word of god by using language that was not indiginous to the time, or by insinuating an interpretation that the text itself can reveel by studying the word the way the bible itself intended that we study the word line apon line precept apon precept and by getting to know the bible stories within there context then we run the risk of adding to the word of god an intention not naturaly found in its writting. Furthermore have we all become so scriptually lazy that we need some one to have a running comentary on every passage of scripture

Posted by stephen on July 9, 2007, 6:31 pm
The sacraments, Catholics believe, are quite faithful to the intention of the Bible. When the New Testament was finally agreed upon in the 4th century, the sacraments were well established.

“Line upon line” – this is very likely a mockery of the pagan priests, not a precept we should be following. It is portrayed as a drunken slur, a primitive way of thinking that is child-like, not mature.

See this from an Adventist pastor:
Precept Upon Precept?

See also the following:
Acts 17:11 Sacred Cow – Precept Upon Precept, Line Upon Line? Commentary on Isaiah 28:10,13
Misquotes – Here a Little, There a Little
Concerning Spiritual Gifts [defunct link]

Posted by tebach abraham on July 9, 2007, 6:19 pm
I am an adventist but i was not born into it i was raised a hebrew and that part of my life has given me a unique perspective on the old testament scripture different than most christians understand about the old testament for instance there is a lot of talk about cerimoniously unclean where the bible does not say cerimoniously unclean you are either clean or unclean. Any hebrew would be completely thrown off by this exspession. In scriptual times if you were unclean by virtue of either having touched the carcus of an unclean beast or had a running issue you were unclean period not cerimoniously unclean

Posted by tebach abraham on July 9, 2007, 7:05 pm
when i first be came an adventist i did so trying to prove there was no jesus who was the son of god just a good man maybe even a prophet but not the messiah. Because i was sincerely searching the bible i discovered jesus and salvation to my delight. The sabbath was something i allready knew. What a disservice adventist do to the word of god when we refer to and rely on Ellen white as an authority on par with with scripture. All that does is give rise to those who think we have an allternative truth where as i have become adventist because of the bible alone. Ellen white poses some problems because not all she has written is supported by the holy scriptures in fact when i was telling my father some Adventist truths found only in her writtings my father was able to dispute them using scripture alone precept apobn prcept line apon line so i have long since stop using her as a source for truth. So when i witness to anybody i do not refer or mention her but i do speak about the bible truths that covicted me about gods salvation. One of the things i have noticed also is that most people who stop reading their bibles and read only Ellen Whitw are arrogant and gudgemental

Posted by stephen on July 9, 2007, 7:47 pm
That’s certainly true … Ellen was a Christian woman, but she was not given any new light. Much had to be recovered by Adventism over time, in fact, from what they had lost at their roots. Much of what she said and wrote was due to the influence of what was popular in certain circles in her time, and it must be read as such.

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